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Old 04-16-2008, 08:52 PM   #16
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Thank bud. I usually come off the wrong way on the internet. I was just frustrated after searching for hours and hours and finding very little info in the art of masonry, and then noticed there's not even a board here for it. Just curious as to why there is info on everything except basic masonry. Unfortunately at this point I don't care much anymore. I can lay the brick if I have to, and it will turn out fine. This board just lost my help, which is specializing in Electrical Engineering, foundation, and steel frame design and testing.
You should work on the people/communication skills. It will take you much further in the busines world. I think you answered your own questions. Beyond the basics, masonry is an art. Tips and techniques are passed from masters to apprentices. It's the stuff that doesn't get put in the basic books that makes a good tradesperson. 110K budget for a electical engineer? Tulsa must be a tough market. Anyway, as you pointed out, you know more than most of the people here so get building.

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Old 04-16-2008, 09:06 PM   #17
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wesc;116909]Oh, I'm pretty sure I mentioned I'm an engineer
well, that explains it. I have met very few that knew their ass from a hole in the ground about what they do let alone what the actual tradesmen do.

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I tell you how to do things and you don't question it, just like a doctor and you're the nurse
uh, ya, sure. I just love the times I tell an engineer his crap won't work. He always refuses to believe me so I tell him fine, you can just pay the extra later to fix it. THEN he listens and has almost always wised up and asked if I could fix it now and make the cost a wash, if possible.

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. I've built 3 houses from the ground up with my bare hands except for the brick,
I know people that have painted a dozen or so houses. Still doesn;t mean they can paint for crap. and 3, wow, you are so experienced. That means 3 electrical services. Boy, I don;t know if I can compete with that abindance of knowledge.
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I'm jJust not familiar with masonry yet, so I asked the nurses.
I love talking to the nurses when a new doc comes around. Tey always say, " he still learning, we'll "nurse" him through his learning years"

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Glad to see all you "hard workers" still think you're the smartest people in the world.
not sure where you believe being an engineer rewquires any more intelligence than a tradesman may have. Occupation is not indicative of intelligence. I'll tell my buddy the electrician/farmer with the PhD. that some engineer thinks all tradesmen are idiots.

Oh, what is that? You don;t have a PhD and some lowly electrician does? Oh, so where does that put your theory?



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Thanks for all the "help". Boy you guys are so smart to spread mortar, god dang genuises.
This shows your intelligence, or lack of atually. Re-read the posts. It was specifically said by tscarborough that it is experience more than intelligence. I guess you fail in reading comprehension.

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I deal with your type every day, but when you can't figure something out guess who you run to?
Not a chance. I fix more engineering screw ups than I want to remember.

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Me! And I figure out the solution in 5 minutes.
How about if you did your job right to begin with, we wouldn;t have all the problems we do.

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Happens every time.
Yep, them engineers are screwing up all the time. Can;t find very many that know anything.



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=wesc;116916]You know, while I think you probably know a lot about laying brick, all you do is ask questions and see if I know the answers, instead of just helping out. Why is that?
another blaring lack of intelligence. They want to know what you know so they can help you from a point you can understand. Next time maybe they'll start with, "so, since you have everything else done, to tool the joints..." as bugs would say," what a maroon!"

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I am already getting a bad taste in my mouth for the trade and don't want to hire one of you.
I'm betting if they knew it was you and they were bidding for the job, they wouldn;t bother. Working for a "know-it-all" is a PITA.


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For all the help this board has been, I'll do you a favor and not help you out either when you need help with something I know about.
For some strange reason, I don;t think we will be losing out on that deal. Actually using your statement, I doubt you would be posting much anyway since you did qualify it to; helping with something I know about. I'm betting we wouldn't hear from you again if you waited until that time arrived.

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P.S. Are you a retard?
No, are you?

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Wall ties are for connecting the brick to the wall and you adjust it do that it's level when you set them.
actually, I thought I understood your original post on this and CCM was misunderstanding what you meant but this rephrase of your knowledge proves I was wrong when I thought you might be right.

why don;t you send us some pics when you get this done. Work is hard and we always need a good laugh.

Now that I see you are an electrical engineer, I really have lost any hope you can tie your shoes in the morning.
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Old 04-16-2008, 09:13 PM   #18
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wesc -

To your P.S. - I am not a retard. If you bothered to look at the profiles, you would find out that I am a registered civil/structural engineer with over 40 years experience in masonry design and construction. I participated in writing the ACI 530 masonry code (which was essentially adopted as IBC masonry code section). I also have served on everal other code committees, am a voting member of the ASTM standards for masonry materials and testing procedures, have made presentations at numerous national and international masonry seminars and investigated residential masonry construction in 34 countries. - By the way, brick ties have nothing to do with creating a level course because they are flexible and are intended to tie the brick to the back-up material. A mason uses a line and a level to keep the course level.

To your P.P.S. - If you did a little research, you would find there are a number of flashing materials that can do a much better job, easier to use and have a longer life. Don't forget the vents in addition to the weeps.

Send some photos when it is completed. It may save me some effort if I get called about problems and an required to testify in courty for the insurance company. - I do that too.
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Old 04-16-2008, 09:18 PM   #19
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Dang CCM, I thought that avatar was just some guy that held a dear place in your heart. Now that you say you have over 40 years experience, I think I just figured out that is YOU
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Old 04-16-2008, 09:45 PM   #20
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Nap -

Even though I have a few years in it is not me. Its my great-grandfather from Luxembourg, who was a funiture maker/unholsterer of all things. - Nice picture for 1895.

I think its time to change avitar for tomorrow sometime.

Actually, for a couple of years, I worked on the design of rocket test stands, trust measuring systems and manufacturing buildings before getting into masonry design, construction and production.

I never could figure out Electrical Engineers. Maybe it is because they can't often can't really see what they are working on, so they have to have everything in writing or on a dial/digital.

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Wesc, most engineers are versed in the use of reinforced concrete. So am I. Masonry is not the same. The physical requirements of mortar share only one thing with concrete: Their plasticity at the point of installation.

The desired properties are diametrically opposite, in fact.

You even acknowledge that the act of laying masonry is an "art", and it is. An engineer can design, but a mason can build. If that distinction is lost on you, then you are probably hopeless.

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P.S. Read some Dr. Kenneth Gailbraith Sr., if you are inclined to listen only to other engineers.
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OMG. I just happened upon this site yesterday and got very excited about being able to learn new stuff and hopefully beautify my home without spending thousands on labor costs. All I see are sarcastic replies! What is wrong with people these days. I have always lived my life by, what you give you will get back ten fold, and so far it's worked for me. You sarcastic people should try it some time and some good luck might head your way!!!!
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Old 04-17-2008, 08:41 AM   #24
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Thank bud. I usually come off the wrong way on the internet. ...
Wow, thats an understatement.

When communicating with text you have to be VERY carefull about how you say things. Remember, when posting/emailing/texting you dont have the luxury of body language, tone of voice or even subtle eye movements to convey how you want what you are saying to be taken.

So coming off smug and condescending, especially when you are new to the group, is a big no-no. And what did you expect the replies to be like? For everyone to grovel at your feet and agree with you? You basically offended the very people you sought assistance from and made them put their guard up.

I have learned from both the internet and person to person interactions the best way to get help from people. First you have to be interested in what they do. If you act like you are genuinly interested in what someone does for a living most people will open up and tell you anything you want to know. Including those trade secrets you wont find in a book.

Just being polite and appreciative will go a long way too.

Its not to late to turn thread this around either. Im sure an earnest apology and a reworking of your question would do the trick I've only been hanging around here for a short time, but I do know that everyone here is really nice and willing to help.

Good Luck!

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I have met very few that knew their ass from a hole in the ground about what they do let alone what the actual tradesmen do.
As an engineer myself I can attest to this fact. It's a shame that the majority are know-it-alls like this clown.

wesc, have you every work WITH a laborer? Or are you always trying to direct them like you're the forman? Plans will never be 100% correct but if you actually work WITH them you will learn from your mistakes and your next set of plans will be better.

And an electrical engineer specializing in foundation and steel frame design and testing? What a waste. Either you can't make up your mind or you only have limited knowledge of the subjects, including electrical engineering.

I second the request for pics.
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Old 04-17-2008, 03:57 PM   #26
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& miss'd the 1st act most all what we do isn't that difficult,,, the really pita part's working w/***holes who come in all shapes & sizes from owners thru arch/engineers to contractors - but that's just my personal observation,,, the best jobs've always the ones where everyone had a good time, earned some $$$, & made new friends,,, doubtful that'll ever change, either.


no one ever likes a smart *** no matter how knowledgeable ! ! !

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