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Old 05-07-2012, 08:52 AM   #31
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Thanks for the schooling there chief.
BTW, I didn't mean YOU listening to the morons at the box store, it was directed at ANYONE listening to the morons at the box store. I'm sure you know better than to ask advice of those idiots, I just find it amazing when someone believes a box store employee who's never built a deck in their life over someone who does it every day.

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If installed properly and the right design mix used the is NO reason for a decked pour to not to hold up.
Right now I am on a job that is probably has the worst conditions on earth,they make water softer pellets from salt brine and the conditions are brutal.
I understand that Colorado may have harsh conditions in the weather,every place on earth has specific conditions.
To the OP,take a look around your area and when you see something ask questions it is like having a car,then you notice everyone has a car like yours.
I agree, concrete SHOULD hold up, however in these cases it failed, BADLY. One of the project was on a "Parade of Homes" a number of years ago, I have no idea how they constructed it since it was all finished.
The other one I saw was a full 4" slab poured over engineered joists, sheethed and waterproofed. Big cracks in both of these slabs that looked terrible, and once concrete cracks there is nothing you can really do to make it look good again.
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once concrete cracks there is nothing you can really do to make it look good again.
I agree 100%
I would have to guess one factor was the mix and the other was engineering problem.
The OP situation is one of either he is going to have some maintenance or not be happy with what he gets.
I would make the slab a floating slab,enabling it to move with the seasons.
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I agree 100%
I would have to guess one factor was the mix and the other was engineering problem.
The OP situation is one of either he is going to have some maintenance or not be happy with what he gets.
I would make the slab a floating slab,enabling it to move with the seasons.
I think you missed the part about being 10 ft in the air. Floating slab is not an option.
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I'm currently putting down Veranda Armorguard decking(in "Brazilian Walnut") which is the Home Depot brand name for Fiberon Pro-Tect. To me, it's the best bang for your buck as long as you're not using the grooves-and-clips method of attaching. If you are screwing your deck down(which you should if it's 10ft off the ground IMO) I wouldn't hesitate to use the non-grooved version. If you're going to attach with clips, I'd use the Timbertech Earth [Something] line which is fully capped in PVC and even has some protection inside the clip grooves.

Found this interesting article on all the current composite products and trends.

As a disclaimer I'm just a DIY'er who is only laying his first deck, but I've done a TON of research on which composites to use and have physically handled almost a dozen. IMO the Veranda Armorguard seems as well constructed or better than most and I like the look the best. Timbertech seems to have the best rep with contractors among the national brands, but it was too expensive for me.
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I think you missed the part about being 10 ft in the air. Floating slab is not an option.
When I said floating I meant being able to move with the building.
We install them all the time ,you need an engineer to design it which is generally a no brainier for one.
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We do the entire frame out of steel (ledger, joists, beams) however people usually opt for wood posts for aesthetics and cost.

No problem on the questions, Colorado is a unique environment and most people who haven't lived here actually understand its harsh environment.

I looked all over and could not find any steel decking joists, beams, and ledgers. Where can I look at whats available in our area?
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I looked all over and could not find any steel decking joists, beams, and ledgers. Where can I look at whats available in our area?
They are fabricated from common stock, materials bought from a steel supplier
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So i have to make them myself? what do i need to make them and what materials do I order?
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So i have to make them myself? what do i need to make them and what materials do I order?
Trex has a system called Elevations, it's a bit more homeowner friendly than what I use.
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So i have to make them myself?
what do i need to make them and what materials do I order?
1 Yes
2 That would be up to the person (engineer) that designed it
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Trex has a system called Elevations, it's a bit more homeowner friendly than what I use.
So they sell the steel joists and everything else I need? If not, where can I get it locally in Colorado?
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So they sell the steel joists and everything else I need? If not, where can I get it locally in Colorado?
Yup, most lumber yards who deal with trex should be able to order it.
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Yup, most lumber yards who deal with trex should be able to order it.
Well, I went to HD and Lowes and neither of them knew what I was talking about. Then again, they were probably working at the Burger King Drive Thru the week before. They kept trying to convince me all I needed was wood and that steel was overkill. Does anyone remember when these places used to hire people only from the trade of the department they worked in? That lasted maybe a year, I guess they didnt want to pay them.

Anyway, an suggestions on where to get this Steel supports for my deck in southern Denver Metro, or anywhere in the Denver Metro?
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3/4" tongue and groove plywood followed by a coated deck of fiberglass with gelcoat of you color choice. They hold up to some pretty bad Noreasters and hurricanes here. And we do get a fair bit of moisture on the coast of New Jersey.

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