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Old 05-02-2013, 03:37 PM   #16
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That piece of wood in the picture is a lookout?
Yes. I only drew enough to give you the idea of how it works. Everything you see is exterior... outside the walls.
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the blue siding in the picture what is the top of the siding attached to?
The wall. Because of the angle of the roof rafters, your soffit is going to be way lower than the top of the wall.
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Here's a cheaper way.... This one happens to be aluminium.

Only trouble is you seldom end up so lucky as to have the siding and soffit meet right at the top edge like this.

Again................. Drawn bare, with nothing on the walls so you can see how it works.
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Here's a cheaper way.... This one happens to be aluminium.

Only trouble is you seldom end up so lucky as to have the siding and soffit meet right at the top edge like this.

Again................. Drawn bare, with nothing on the walls so you can see how it works.
So, from that drawing looks like a piece of channel is covering the top part of the siding and also is holding the soffit in place?
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The wall. Because of the angle of the roof rafters, your soffit is going to be way lower than the top of the wall.
Do you have that siding in a j channel or f channel though? Not sure nailed to the wall, right? Also is it better to install lookouts or sometimes I have seen like a 2x2 piece as a nailer for the wall.
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Here's a cheaper way.... This one happens to be aluminium.

Only trouble is you seldom end up so lucky as to have the siding and soffit meet right at the top edge like this.

Again................. Drawn bare, with nothing on the walls so you can see how it works.
Should you cover the sub fascia and soffit area in house wrap or just from bottom of house up to top plates? Also, I can never get an answer on this but what exactly is a frieze board and what is its purpose?
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In case you haven't seen this...soffits are around page 33 http://www.vinylsiding.org/PUBLICATI...al_English.pdf
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:20 PM   #23
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Should you cover the sub fascia and soffit area in house wrap or just from bottom of house up to top plates? Also, I can never get an answer on this but what exactly is a frieze board and what is its purpose?
Only to the top of the walls. The whole purpose of the sofitt is not shade, but rather to create a breathing area for all the upper section of the house... to let condensation dry out, and some hot air expansion be released.
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So, from that drawing looks like a piece of channel is covering the top part of the siding and also is holding the soffit in place?
Well, no, not exactly.... it covers the top part of the siding, but the siding is already fastened well to the wall. The "J" channel does not (nor should it) serve that purpose.

It's just to contain (hold) the inner edge of the soffit.
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Should you cover the sub fascia and soffit area in house wrap or just from bottom of house up to top plates? Also, I can never get an answer on this but what exactly is a frieze board and what is its purpose?
As I understand it from old guys, the frieze board was simply to cover unsightly expansion and contraction cracks if, and usually when, they occured at the junction of the wall and soffit. That's not gospel... just what I heard. Mostly just a trim piece.

I guess they came into vogue with the introduction of stucco? Dunno.
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Do you have that siding in a j channel or f channel though? Not sure nailed to the wall, right? Also is it better to install lookouts or sometimes I have seen like a 2x2 piece as a nailer for the wall.
Look carefully, and you will see that the aluminium "J" channel was cut in two places, (about 2" apart) and that small section was bent upward to become a nailer tab to fasten the channel to the wall. Vinyl can be done the same way.

I always use outlookers... often nailing some of the centers to the outlookers. This helps keep the flimsy soffit material in place during strong wind storms. Usually every couple of rafters/trusses, if not at every one.
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Do you have that siding in a j channel or f channel though? Not sure nailed to the wall, right? Also is it better to install lookouts or sometimes I have seen like a 2x2 piece as a nailer for the wall.
This is the cheap way of doing it. Without outlookers, the soffit material will flex like crazy in powerful winds. The updraft at that part of a house can blow the soffit material right up into the attic.
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Look carefully, and you will see that the aluminium "J" channel was cut in two places, (about 2" apart) and that small section was bent upward to become a nailer tab to fasten the channel to the wall. Vinyl can be done the same way.

I always use outlookers... often nailing some of the centers to the outlookers. This helps keep the flimsy soffit material in place during strong wind storms. Usually every couple of rafters/trusses, if not at every one.
So the tab was bent upwards so it is flush with the lookouts for nailing purposes?
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Well, no, not exactly.... it covers the top part of the siding, but the siding is already fastened well to the wall. The "J" channel does not (nor should it) serve that purpose.

It's just to contain (hold) the inner edge of the soffit.
So you would nail the siding to the top edge of the wall directly with no type of channel?
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So you would nail the siding to the top edge of the wall directly with no type of channel?
Yes... That is the way you have been installing all the siding, right from the first piece at the bottom. Right?

What if you were going to wait two weeks to install the soffit? Wouldn't you want that whole top section of siding well secured? Well then, secure it.

Frankly, if you install soffit the way I have shown, (with the lookouts) not one inch of your channel is going to be fastened to the siding surface anyway... anywhere.
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