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Old 06-12-2007, 03:49 PM   #16
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To pass code, does not nescessarily mean it has to look good. You could hae gaps in the miters, unsanded joint compound, etc., and it will still pass code. This is where an inspector would come in. A good one will have a special talent to spot even the smallest flaw.

Good luck, and don't get burned.
Yep, exactly right. They told me "It will all look just fine when we are done" and I could not help but think of the line about putting lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig. I don't want to spend my hard earned money and walk in the door every day and have my "mental x-ray" remind me of all the hidden flaws behind the walls.

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Old 06-12-2007, 03:49 PM   #17
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My mother once told me: "Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see."

I hope you come out on top. My family has gone through years of contractor/builder fiascos and lawsuits.

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Old 06-12-2007, 03:56 PM   #18
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Thanks. What I find funny is that friends of ours that had homes built said that it was one of the worst times they had but it was fighting between husband and wife about features and all sorts of issues that were not about the builder. My fiance and I are absolutely in harmony and agreement about the house and are equally angered by the build process. I let her talk to them a lot because her "nice" is better than mine but they don't realize that her "mean" is MEANER than mine.
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Old 06-12-2007, 04:04 PM   #19
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What happens if you never agree it is ready for sheetrock? Is their something you are suppose to sign or are they just trying to be nice and ask you what you think?
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Old 06-12-2007, 04:23 PM   #20
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Aerovette -

If you had the intellegence to look at the personal profiles, you might have found out that I was not a "shoddy builder". However, I do have to admit to building several homes for myself and doing extensive remodeling as a hobby.

I have just seen to many people over-estimating their abilities. - By the way, I should have added 45 years experience to the profile, which is a little longer than your 20 years of helping friends out.

Make sure you hire a qualified inspector so they are not eaten alive as I have seen in cases where I was called as an expert witness.

I am a professional expert in the construction industry as demonstrated by many years of experience and being involved in setting material standards, writing codes and site observations.
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What happens if you never agree it is ready for sheetrock? Is their something you are suppose to sign or are they just trying to be nice and ask you what you think?

They're just being nice. My ONLY leverage at this point is that I have a contingency contract with them and I have no sales contract on my existing home. SO, they really would like me to sign a waiver to negate the contingency because it allows the contract to die on the vine if they get to the sheetrock stage and I still have no contract. At that point (which may be why they are stalling) I sign the waiver and pay two mortgages (potentially) or I am out of the contract and they now have an inventory home to try to sell. The market is not strong enough for them to try to sell that house so it is in their best interest to make me happy at LEAST until that waiver is signed.
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Old 06-12-2007, 04:32 PM   #22
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Aerovette -

If you had the intellegence to look at the personal profiles...
I don't look at ANYONE's profiles. I not here to be impressed. Your email came off all wrong. Maybe it was not your intention, but you don't know me so you have no idea whether I am in to peel and stick tile or my name is Trump. My question was not based on MY knowledge, it was based on the knowledge of experts. Just as you made the point that 20 years means nothing, there are people in EVERY industry and even in the medical field that have been around for 45 years, but it doesn't mean I would want them doing anything to or for me. I sincerely appreciate your feedback, but it was not an invitation to pass insults.
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Speaking of intelligence how do you guys do partial quotes I am pretty new to the INTERNET thing. I refused to do dial up so I waited and waited.
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Poor workmanship.... does exist.... in new homes... most of them are not known because most buyer don't peek or don't know how to peek at the construction site.... you unfortunately aware the ugly pictures.... however... as you are talking about a lot of money being lost here... I don't see you really have a choice except try to make the best out of the worse.... if it looks good when it cover up and it pass inspection... there isn't really a issue here.... in our town... All new homes are covered by a warantee program which has standard sets/rules etc...the rules however still quite tolerance to the builder... but will protect buyer from redicularous poor workmanship.... One thing you can do is trying not to pay or pay very little until the company finish the house and you are very satisfy with it...etc. for those behind the wall stuff, if it is no safety concern... why do you really care... if there is safety concern... then raise it...
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When you hit the quote button, the text will have [quote] at the beginning and end. Just delete what you want taken out being sure not to delete the [quote] on either end.
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[quote=Aerovette;48797]When you hit the quote button, the text will have
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Thanks Aerovette I can handle that.
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Poor workmanship.... does exist. for those behind the wall stuff, if it is no safety concern... why do you really care... if there is safety concern... then raise it...
I am primarily concerned because to me this is an indication of the overall care and attention that the builder pays to the process. As I have said many times to friends, it takes exactly the same amount of time, electricity, and effort to cut a board the CORRECT length as it does to cut one INCORRECTLY. If they don't pay attention at this stage, what would make me think that the cabinets, floors, and countertops will be any better? Also, if I was ONLY concerned with the looks, I could have saved 25% on the price of the house and gotten a house that "looks' just fine. Look at it this way, If I only pay $100 for a car, I can't really complain much about the condition, but if I pay $100,000 for a car, I expect tha it will not have three different sized wheels and be held together with duct tape.
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Thanks Aerovette I can handle that.
Ha! Funny, my quote boxes kind of messed up your quote. Looks like you got it though.
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Old 06-12-2007, 05:22 PM   #29
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Ya I noticed that too. Quit messing up my work .
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Old 06-12-2007, 07:32 PM   #30
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I am primarily concerned because to me this is an indication of the overall care and attention that the builder pays to the process.....If they don't pay attention at this stage, what would make me think that the cabinets, floors, and countertops will be any better?.....
I agree with you 110 %.

We tell our workers to fix mistakes IMMEDIATELY. ''We'' are supposed to be the experts ........and a client should rarely be able to see a mistake and they should never have to ask that ''something'' be corrected. Mistakes, flaws, or issues, should never be left for fixing at a later time....

When mistakes are left unfixed, it sends red flags up. A client will then just look closer at everything else. They will inspect in detail.They will start asking lots of questions .... it's human nature.... (thus we see Aerovette's situation)
I understand where he is coming from now. IMHO - The builder left the door wide open and invited the kind of questioning he is getting from his client on the build - because of his absence of quality control, follow-up, and proper site supervision ...

Sounds like it ''could be'' a builder that is more concerned about profit than putting his "name" on a quality piece of work.....

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