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Old 01-07-2012, 12:08 PM   #1
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Using angles or joist hangers to support one side of a door header ok?


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I'm framing in a rough opening for a closet door in a non-loadbearing wall. The door is a pre-hung 2'-0" wide door. I don't have enough room to place a jack and king stud on both sides of the R.O. to support the header. Is it ok to support one side with Simpson hangers? Maybe toenail in the header and then put an angle support underneath?
Maybe there's another way to do this that is better?

Thank you for your advice.
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Old 01-07-2012, 12:11 PM   #2
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Why not just move one of the 2 X 4 studs back 3" or each one 1-1/2"?
If you do not have the jack studs there how are you planing on attaching the outer edges of the casing.
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I would do this, but I don't have the wall space for it. I can put in a jack and king on one side, but not enough space for both and still fit the door.
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Is this a load bearing wall?
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Old 01-07-2012, 12:19 PM   #5
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For that small a door and in your case i would use 3" screws to sort of toe nail the header in place. Not nails.
Makes it easer if you predrill the header and insert the screws until there just below the end. That way your not trying to hold the screws and the header.
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I'm framing in a rough opening for a closet door in a non-loadbearing wall. The door is a pre-hung 2'-0" wide door. I don't have enough room to place a jack and king stud on both sides of the R.O. to support the header. Is it ok to
In this case you do not need a jack stud. Just toe nail in a 2/4 on the flat. The header is only to nail your casing on.
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Use a 1x jack on both sides.
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I like the 1x jack idea. Or, you could cut a rabbet, ledge, notch (what would it be called?) in the king stud to act as a jack.
(But I thought the joist hanger idea was pretty clever, too.)
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Use 1 X 4's as your cripples -
As "glkirk" suggests.

I don't remember where I stumbled onto that solution (long time ago) -
I think it might have been "Fine Home Building" magazine.
Apparently, someone had done some tests, related to using 1 X 4's as
cripple/jack, studs.

Properly, fastened to the "king", studs (nails/screws - glue) -
the structural performance is close enough to 2 X 4's - to be considered -
sufficient.
Especially, since the door is only 2 feet wide, in a non-load bearing wall.

rossfingal

By the way - we also used "angles/joist hangers" - "over-kill".

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you can use 1x for the jacks, but why the hell is someone mentioning using 1x for the cripples.. that doesnt work. unless you simply mean the same thing as a jack.

where its not a bearing wall its fine. adding the 1x will simply make the door easier to trim by centering it up in between walls.. my only concern when doing this is making sure the king stud is dead straight and plumb, if not it can create problems if the rough opening is really tight
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Thank you all for the input. We ended up using 1x jack studs (and a 2x cripple above) and it worked well/looks good so far. We haven't put in the door yet, though, so wish us luck with that!
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I had a case where the rough openings were not the correct size for a standard pre-hung door. Here what did (non load bearing) it was dry walled. I used saws all and cut the nails out of the jack stud, lock side. Took the 2x4 and ripped about of an inch off the 2 in and replaced the jack stud with construction adhesive. Hung the doors with out any problems.
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Simpsons makes a dedicated header hanger that is structurally sound for instances where the wall is load bearing and no jack stud is possible. It was previewed in Fine Homebuilding and I've seen it in Home Depot.
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