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Old 04-29-2013, 10:16 AM   #1
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When framing and dealing with variances in a slab, is the preferred method to build square walls on the ground and shim as necessary or to build and cut each stud to fit?

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square and level always work best for me ....

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Seems less frustrating too. I know there is a variance in one corner but I cannot easily determine how much it is out using a string line and line level since the distance is about 22' and the line sags and the line levels tend to give sporadic readings...

If I'm really out in one corner, say an inch, would it be better to shim at sill plate or top plate?
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I'd shim at the sill plates, if you start off square and level and you build square and level then it should end up square and level ....
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Does it affect strength and integrity if you start shimming quite a bit? Say 1-2" ?
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while not a framer, i'd work on the levelness of the conc foundation 1st,,, don't like the idea of big shims under a rim joist,,, but maybe that's just me calling back the conc sub to fix his work is also a good idea you could always get 25' of plastic tubing & make a water level - no sag in that 1
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Seems less frustrating too. I know there is a variance in one corner but I cannot easily determine how much it is out using a string line and line level since the distance is about 22' and the line sags and the line levels tend to give sporadic readings...

If I'm really out in one corner, say an inch, would it be better to shim at sill plate or top plate?
Just as a side note, you might want to drop by a ceiling tile supply house and buy a spool of "Zip Line" (looks like dental floss) Throw the heavy string back in the toolbox. This stuff hardly sags at all... AND they sell neat little rubber tipped clamps for each end.

And the results usually rendered by using Line Levels are an embarrassment. Even a water level will do a better job. Fact is, I have one, and use it quite a bit... especially around corners.

BTW, don't shim. Do you want the weight of your whole house depending upon shims that may crush or eventually rot out?
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This is a garage pad. Any recommendations for shims?
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Oh, that's different then. Shoot, just get the kid down the street to throw it together for you.

Say... you ever build in Bangladesh?
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You should have a perimeter curb around your garage that is level irrespective of the slab. This way you can wash the floor and hose out the garage, and your sill plates will not rot from wind blown rain, and washing the floor. If I were you I would form up a level perimeter curb with 3/4 inch plywood ripped level. Drill 1/2 inch holes in the slap and install some no. 4 rebar stub outs in the holes to lock the curb to the slab and install anchor bolts 4 ft. on center for your sole plate. Put skew-back on the top of the form on the inside to relieve the edge.
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I spoke with the builder and they are going to rectify the issue by adding a curb.
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You will be very happy they did, my friend. Good negotiating. Dont forget the skewback to relieve that sharp edge on the inside.
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You will be very happy they did, my friend. Good negotiating. Dont forget the skewback to relieve that sharp edge on the inside.
I can't say I've ever seen a "skewback" used by a professional. It seems to replace an "edger", which most any concrete guy probably owns a dozen variations of, and has permanent calouses on their hands from using them. Is a "skewback" common in your locale??
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So they poured a curb and it still has variances, much less than 1-2" I had before all over the place, but there is one spot that is 1/2" out for about 6 feet. They're not willing to do much about it.
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there is one spot that is 1/2" out for about 6 feet.
You can always set the framed wall and then fill that gap with non-shrink grout.

(and no, It is not tile grout)

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