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Old 09-17-2012, 11:27 PM   #16
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Don't be to concerned with the 'collateral' damage around the house---

Some may and likely will, 0ccure--

But that thinking is like a crippled man worrying that his clothes will no longer fit when he is made whole and straight again.
Thanks for the much-needed advice to keep my head in the right place during this project.

I've had two different construction companies out so far. I intend to have one more out for a third bid. The two I've met with haven't given me a price yet, but they're working up bids for both LVL and steel.

A couple of things I've been hearing. Steel may be cost prohibitive. I don't know the difference yet, but I've been warned it's likely to be quite a bit more. It's also more labor intensive too because it takes more manpower to handle and it requires a welder. So even though the steel option will require fewer support columns, it still will likely come out to be more expensive.

I was also told that a steel beam will leave more "bounce" in the floor. They all say it has more deflection. I was expecting the opposite to be the case, with the wood beam having more bounciness (is that a word?).

I'm expecting to pay a fair amount of money for this project, but as you all can see from the pictures it needs to be done.

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What would be the benefit? I can call the engineer if something goes wrong and they have to pay to fix it?
The benefit of an engineer would be that the job is done correctly. They would draw up structural sketches or plans for your situation and sign off when the job is done correctly.
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did either of the companies you spoke say anything about have drawings prepared by a professional engineer? did they say anything about need a building permit?
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did either of the companies you spoke say anything about have drawings prepared by a professional engineer? did they say anything about need a building permit?
Yeah, but since I already had the engineer out, they already knew this. My engineer is working on it now.
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what about a permit?
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Yeah they will be getting one.
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excellent, was going to say if one said you didn't need a permit you'd know which one not to use ...... smart having your own engineer. they can confirm that the beam was installed in compliance with their design.

So did your engineer specify steel or a LVL? Different parts of the country have different costs for building materials. I've found that steel beams are competitively priced (in my area) with LVL and typically have less height than LVL. If both (LVL & steel) are designed for L/480 deflection limit they are equal in the amount of deflection allowed. Typically the more deflection (sag) the more "bounce". Of course the building codes are not concerned with "bounce" as it is subjective to each person. Deflection is the code requirement (L/360 deflection limit for beams) as it is something that is measurable. FYI, if you take the length of the beam in inches and divide it by 360 this is the maximum deflection you should have in your beam. for example a 10' long beam would be 120"/360 = 1/3".

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Well, I just got my first bid. The contractor wrote the bid using LVL and 8 columns. For only an 18' beam that seems like a lot of columns.

I'm starting to wonder if a steel beam wouldn't be a better option. It would require fewer columns. I was told that the cost of a welder could drive up the cost higher than LVL though.

I'm surprised by how much this thing costs! I was hoping it would be 2,000 less. I'm very discouraged now.
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I understand your frustration .....

support walls have to be constructed on either side of the existing beam to support your floor, then the existing beam has to be removed. the existing concrete slab has to be cut so that footings can be installed for the columns. once the footing are placed then they would install the new beam and columns, and then concrete is used to fill in the void in the slab around the columns. actual steps may vary depending on your builder. it can be quite involved.

myself I'd probably go with the steel beam as it would probably be less in height than the LVL and would probably require fewer columns.

that does seem like a large number of columns for the beam. what size was the LVL beam?
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9.5" 18' long.

I don't know the size that a steel beam would be, but I do know it doesn't require as many columns.
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That doesn't sound right. They would only be 2.5' apart.

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