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Old 06-12-2010, 05:32 PM   #16
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Straps stay there. If concerned, notch the studs a tweak so they are flush.

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"If there is not, do I use the straps just while the house is exposed, or do I leave them on and install the felt and hardiplank over them?" ------------- Yes, leave them on if no sheathing. 303 siding by APA makes the T1-11 rated as aengineered structural siding and sheathing combined in the 5/8" thickness which doesn't need any bracing or sheathing under it. This is the particular brand I have installed with the company's office located here. Hardie plank has no wall shear to speak of.

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Old 06-12-2010, 05:42 PM   #18
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I wouldn’t install Hardi Plank directly to studs. You would need to sheet the walls.

If there is a gap between the bottom of your siding and the foundation, it’s probably sheeted. You might be able to stick you finger up there and feel it. You could also take off a outlet cover or a porch light and figure it out.

Re-sheeting would add about $40-50 a square, not counting the labor.
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if its your sheathing too you gotta put your drainage plane directly over the studs,that takes some careful detailing to pull off right
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Guess I'm wrong, you can install directly to studs. Id never do it on a home but that's just me.

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i agree Ron because of the water management issues,but structurally [the panels not the house] its no different than nailing it to a rainscreen
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Numb, when you say your T1-11 isn’t in the best of shape, what do you mean?

You can certainly install Hardi Plank over the top of T1-11, assuming it’s not completely rotted out.

I’ve done many of these were the bottom few inches or foot was ugly and everything above was fine. You simply replace the rotted areas of the T1-11 with plywood and install the new siding over that (after felt).

I apologize, the original question of this thread was …..? My first response should have been, Why tear all of the T1-11 off?

This would be a good time for a picture.
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I also was wrong when I said T1-11 was 5/8"----- it is actually 19/32"...lol. http://www.apawood.org/apacad/images...specs/Y310.pdf

Sheathing replacement: http://www.apawood.org/level_b.cfm?content=prd_sid_main

"I’ve done many of these were the bottom few inches or foot was ugly and everything above was fine. You simply replace the rotted areas of the T1-11 with plywood and install the new siding over that (after felt)." ------ I agree.

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Numb, when you say your T1-11 isn’t in the best of shape, what do you mean?

You can certainly install Hardi Plank over the top of T1-11, assuming it’s not completely rotted out.

I’ve done many of these were the bottom few inches or foot was ugly and everything above was fine. You simply replace the rotted areas of the T1-11 with plywood and install the new siding over that (after felt).

I apologize, the original question of this thread was …..? My first response should have been, Why tear all of the T1-11 off?

This would be a good time for a picture.
My siding is pretty much how you described... mainly in decent shape, with the bottom few inches starting to rot in a few places, and some squirrel damage to the trim under the soffit in a few places. My plan to replace it isn't purely out of necessity... I'm also looking at it as something to improve the look of the house. I hadn't considered putting hardiplank over the T1-11, but it sounds like that might be a viable option. I'll check to see if there is sheathing under there and try to get some pictures tonight if I get home with any daylight left.

Is installing the hardi over T1-11 an option either way, or would I only go that route if there is no sheathing under the T1-11? I guess since the current trim is installed on top of the T1-11, I could replace that with hardi trim, and there wouldn't be any clearancing issues around doors and windows... is that a correct assumption?
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We’ll wait for the pictures, but it is sounding like your re-siding project will be much easier than you thought.
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Ok, I took some pictures of the siding. Most of it is in decent shape, with a few trouble spots.

Here is what most of it looks like:






Hot moist air from the dryer vent is killing the trim in this spot:



Squirrel damage:



Minor damage from water runoff. Shouldn't there be flashing here?



This is the worst spot, around the chimney:







You can see the tar paper through the bigger hole (I'm thinking my dogs assisted with that one). I felt around there, and you can feel the stud, and then gaps on either side... there is definately no sheathing behind the T1-11.

Here's another shot, looking from ground level up under the trim. You can see the bottom edge of the trim, and theT1-11 underneath. I tried to show that the siding doesn't sit flush with the foundation... I guess the studs are flush, and the T1-11 is attached directly to them?



So obviously, the T1-11 needs to be replaced with plywood in the trouble spots, but what about the rest of it? Good enough to install felt and hardi right over it? And in situations where I would want to replace the T1-11 with fresh plywood, would I replace the entire sheet, or just cut off the bottom foot or two?
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You don’t need to tear that all off, just cut out the rotted areas and replace with plywood. I see some rotted sill plate there too, you will need to replace that and any other rotted framing as well (I'm sure there'll be more).

Remove all siding related trim. You need at least 5/4 trim for your corners, windows, and doors, I prefer 2x.

Be sure to build your corners in one piece before hand and caulk the inside corner seam before installing the corners.

Don’t know if you’re planning on replacing the aluminum windows but now would be the time to do it.

Maybe a new octagon gable vent. That thing you got up there isn’t helping the looks any.

There is quite a few other details you need to get up to speed on but that Hardi link I posted earlier covers most of them.

As tempting as it might be to start on the front, you might consider saving that for last. We want your siding job looking like the pro’s by the time you reach the front door.

Just keep posting as you go along, we’ll deal with all these issues one wall at a time.
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You don’t need to tear that all off, just cut out the rotted areas and replace with plywood. I see some rotted sill plate there too, you will need to replace that and any other rotted framing as well (I'm sure there'll be more).
What's the best way to cut the bottom off T1-11? Do you tear the whole sheet off, cut it, and replace? Maybe score the hell out of it with a utility knife?

Also, with the rotted sill, what's the best way to approach the replacement on a slab? Most of the info I can find has to do with jacking the house up to take pressure off the sill, but I have no basement or crawl space. Do I build a temporary support wall, and remove all the studs that are sitting on the sill? It's the side and back walls of a chimney, so access from the inside is going to be difficult.

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Don’t know if you’re planning on replacing the aluminum windows but now would be the time to do it.
Those are getting replaced as well. I have already put the order in for some nice vinyl replacement windows. Double pane, double strength, super low-e glass should help with the Texas summers.

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As tempting as it might be to start on the front, you might consider saving that for last. We want your siding job looking like the pro’s by the time you reach the front door.
No worries about the front of the house... it's all brick. I have a detached workshop, though, and I'll probably do the Hardi on that first to practice.
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I cut the bottom off of my pool cabana T1-11
I set the skill saw cut depth to the depth of the siding
Then drew a straight line & cut it

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