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Old 09-28-2008, 05:25 PM   #1
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toe nail or strong tie?

I need to make a modification to a LA Dept of Building & Safety approved drawing. We already demoed the ceiling so we now are looking up at the beautiful 2x10" 16"oc rafters. This gives our cafe/deli the country store rustic look we are after. The dropped ceiling was left in place in the kitchen so as to meet the health departments requirements about a cleanable ceiling surface. We now need to build the ceiling over the deli cases because that is also considered part of the food service area. Our new ceiling plan shows the gypsum board affixed directly to the rafters. We want to change this by fastening 2x4s perpendicular to the 2x10 rafters. This will allow us to have 4" edge all around the perimeter which will look best. The 2x4 and the perpendicular 2x10 will meet on respective 2" sides. I want to bring in a sketch to LADBS tomorrow for over the counter approval. Question, can the 2x4 to 2x10 be fastened with toe nailing (3 - 8D or 16D) or must it be with some sort of simpson tie (e.g. H2.5T)? Toe nailing seems easier and cheaper but not sure if it will be allowed. The 2x4 will be spaced 16" and will only support the gypsum board.
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Old 09-28-2008, 08:00 PM   #2
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I don't see any reason you'll need anything more than nails. H2.5-type ties are for uplift resistance for framing members, and shouldn't be required for furring down a ceiling.

Ultimately, it will be the building inspector's call.


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they didn't accept toe-nailing. I drew in simpson ties, H2.5 and that was accepted. Will nail in with Simpson N8 (similar to 8d 1 1/2" nails). The 1 1/2" nails provide 80% of rated load as the 2.5" 8d.
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