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Old 02-26-2013, 11:07 PM   #16
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but wondered if I'd be better off setting them individually or with the mesh?
Do not set them individually. Set full sheets cutting the sheets as necessary.

Do not butter the sheets, that'll get messy. Set the sheets and beat them with a grout float. Any flattening is done before you tile, not during.

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Do not set them individually. Set full sheets cutting the sheets as necessary.

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Thanks, that's what I was hoping to hear? I know on another site I read where some were taking them off the mesh, and wondered why?

My floor is pretty flat too, really happy with it, and was just leary of tile sitting uneven and messing my flatness up? I get it now, beat them in. Makes sense since the floor is flat, but just assumed as most just slightly press them in, at least what I've seen online, where a 2x2 might tilt? Thanks
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Got the floor tiled, thanks for the advice Jaz, came out pretty good for my first one. Did the floor first as I was wanting the wall tile to overlap the floor, pus for the fact the whole perimeter ended up a bit over a half tile, and if I did the wall first, I thought there might be very little gap to the wall? I'll just have to cover it now with cardboard and rags to prevent damage, when I do the walls.

I was curious of the gap around the shower at the wall? Should this be filled now with thinset? I realize the wall tile will cover this little void, but wasn't sure when I seal the wall to floor gap later with Silicone, that it would fill this void? Leave this gap, or fill?

And secondly I never thought of it, but when I start my bottom course of wall tile I can't use a ledger? As this would puncture the Hydro Ban barrier, and my pan liner too? gues I'll have to shim it level off the floor to start, or any other ideas?

Here's a pic of the floor, no the best pic, the front of the pic is whiteish from flash and looks like thinset glaze, but isn't, came out pretty good for a rookie? The only thing I would have done different, was use a Nebb Drain, as there is no cutting 2x2 tiles with these. Not knowing this I got an Oatey, and had to trim around drain, and the Oatey doesn't look that nice as others? Just thought a drain was a drain?
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Since I'm nearing the end of tiling, wanted to look ahead for grout and sealer options?

My floor is 3/8in. thick 2X2 porcelain, with approx. 3/32 joints, whatever was set on the mesh? And walls are ceramic with 1/8in. joints

1. Any recommendations for a good quality wet area grout that is easy to work with? Is it important to use a certain brand, when you want matching Silicone for the corners?

2. I realize with 1/8in. joints and less you should use unsanded, but do you recommend sanded for the floor for better traction, or just use unsanded for both floor and walls?

3. Sealer? What is a good sealer for a wet location like a shower?

4. Is Grout Shield or any other additive a good option, for shower grout? I did my upstairs bathroom floor several years ago and used Grout Shield inplace of the grout water, and have no complaints. But then again, it does not take on water, and wasn't sure of additives to grout for a shower is a good idea vs. just using a sealer? Thanks
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Looking good. The two basic types of grout is cementitious and epoxy. Epoxy is best, but costs more and harder to work with. Cementitious is the common type. I'd use sanded even though you could use either. I'm ok with unsanded with soft bisque ceramic, but I always use sanded for porcelain even if the gap is a little less than 1/8". Matter of fact, there's at least one brand that says sanded is fine for 1/16". (Laticrete).

3. There's many good brands. I like Miracle Sealants and end up using 511 Impregnator most of the time.

4. There's so many gimmicks these days, (some may be good), but we've heard of so many problems with some of the new special additives. If you liked working with Grout Shield, see the data concerning its use in showers.

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Thanks, so far I'm leaning torwards the Permacolor, which has a very light sand. Just wasn't sure if it would scratch my mosica glass niche and border? Many claim the sand is so fine they have no issues?

Have no ideas for a sealer, but like the sounds of Impregnator you mentioned, after reading. Are you using this product on the entire surface before grouting? then once again on the entire surface after grouting. Or entire surface before grouting, then just grout lines after?

I know Grout Shield is a Miracle product too, just wasn't sure using it for a shower. As it worked good on my floor, but dosen't see the water like a shower? Thanks
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Permacolor sounds good to me. I use it often too.

What tiles are you using that you think you'd need to seal before grouting? I haven't heard mention of the need for that in this thread.

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Permacolor sounds good to me. I use it often too.

What tiles are you using that you think you'd need to seal before grouting? I haven't heard mention of the need for that in this thread.

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Do you think Permacolor would scratch glass mosiac's?

Don't really need to seal any tile, porcelain on the floor and ceramic on thew walls. Just was reading Impregnator instructions on New Construction Before Grouting. They say to apply it to the entire surface and let dry before grouting, to assist in a easier grout cleanup, and it makes the surface resistant to grout staining? Not sure it's neccassary to do this, but just what I read. Here's the instructions, thanks
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I can't tell whether the glass tiles you have will scratch, I don't know what they look like color or if they're all glass or have stone mixed in. How wide a band will you be installing? Is it a band of glass? Might be smart to use unsanded there.

You pre-seal tiles before grout only if they need to be pre-sealed. I think yours are glazed. Sometimes an occasional porcelain comes with instructions to pre-seal, lacking such, you seal after it's grouted. And yes, you apply the sealer to the grout but it's impossible to not get it on the tiles too. This is a good thing. Glazed tiles can be sealed too as I'm sure you read somewhere in that data sheet.

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They are all glass, wife picked them out.

I'm installing 2 vertical bands 5 tiles wide, where one band goes up through the niche, and the other wall straight up to and bisecting the showerhead, nothing on back wall.

To give you an idea here's a pic, just taped a strip of the glass inplace, as bottom larger tiles still need installed . As I'm using a 2 jury sticks as I tile to set this gap and keep it even for the width of the glass.

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Take a few drops of water and a spoon of grout, mix and rub it on the glass, let it set and then wipe. I have a feeling it'll be fine since the tiles are not super dark and shiny.

Are the glass tile the same thickness as the tiles? A little thinner?

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Take a few drops of water and a spoon of grout, mix and rub it on the glass, let it set and then wipe. I have a feeling it'll be fine since the tiles are not super dark and shiny.

Are the glass tile the same thickness as the tiles? A little thinner?

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Will do, still have to get the grout yet.

both tiles laying flat are pretty much the same thickness. Just not sure after setting if they will set a bit below the ceramic tiles due to not needing as much thinset on the glass sheets? Why do you ask? I was hoping for a flush finish, or should they sit a bit lower? Thanks
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I'm just axing cuz often people buy those cheap glass sheets at the big boxs and they're only 1/8" thick at most. They look thinner from here, although the tile look pretty thin. Hard to tell.

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Both wall tiles and glass tiles are approx. 5/16in. thick. I did go with thinner wall tiles, than the floor. The floor was 3/8in. thick, but didn't see the need or the extra cost for thick wall tiles? Thanks
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When you Pro's grout and seal, which do you apply first?

Never would have thought of applying Silicone to joints first then grouting? But have read where some says it's easier? As you are not having to dig grout out of areas to be sealed? I realize you'd have to let the Silicone set up good, before grouting, but I'm guessing most grout first? Is applying the Silicone really easier and neater, Thanks

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