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Old 12-19-2011, 11:06 AM   #16
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I know it would be satsifying to have boulders, concrete, metal, something permanent installed to prevent damage to your fence, but, think about how awful you would feel if you installed something immoveable and permanent that when hit would cause great bodily injury or even worse, death.

My suggestion is you contact the county in writing and ask them to install rumble strips, speed bumps coming up to the intersection, blinking warning lights (solar powered), or worst case, the fluid filled barrels to prevent a major injury.

If all else fails... move.

But I dont think you would be able to live with yourself if you installed something that ultimately led to the death of someone just to protect a fence.

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Thank you to all of you for your great ideas. I will be heading down to my government offices TODAY to see if a person with a police report in hand can get them to do something.

I agree that reflectors are an excellent idea as yes, most of the damage is done at night (though some is done on slick, snowy days) and I will get some on that fence soon -- but the truth is, reflectors aren't going to stop a drunk driver. A sand-pit would.... and boulders. Hopefully they would be stopped or slowed by the sand before hitting the boulder, but the sight of boulders will let them know that if they DO get drunk, maybe driving home on an alternate route would be advisable. Thankfully the house itself is not near the area and will not ultimately be hit, but I appreciate the concern!

I'll have to ask about the sand as that would be on county land (the easement) but if that can be done, it would be a smart thing to do. And I love the look of boulders -- they are part of the beauty of the ROCKY mountains --

I had no idea this forum would be such a great place. Thanks to all of you!
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My suggestion is you contact the county in writing and ask them to install rumble strips, speed bumps coming up to the intersection, blinking warning lights (solar powered), or worst case, the fluid filled barrels to prevent a major injury.

If all else fails... move.

But I dont think you would be able to live with yourself if you installed something that ultimately led to the death of someone just to protect a fence.
Intellectually, you are right - it's just a fence. Emotionally, it's my sanctuary, my safety, a secure home for my dogs, my very own little Eden and feels like a major violation when someone drives 25' through it, then leaves behind $980 worth of damage, loss of a day of work putting something back up to keep my dogs in, and no recourse.

However, you are also right about not really wanting to cause serious bodily harm -- I want to keep the car there so they can't leave (and get away with it as has been the case), protect my property and my dogs and finally, know that the problem is solved.

I'm betting the sand trap will be the thing that does the trick, and I love the idea of rumble strips or speed bumps!! Moving - not an option.

I'm off to petition the county --- thank you Wiscbldr.
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Do you suppose drunk drivers are thinking about causing someone serious bodily harm? Do you think operating a motor vehicle too fast for conditions on wintry roads is thinking about causing somebody serious bodily harm?
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I'd try something like this as a first step:

http://www.amesresearch.com/reflect....FYvDKgodnx5hkw

It may be pricey for paint, but it's a heck of a lot cheaper than most of the other options.

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Or something like this:
http://www.seton.com/delineator-sign...sts-sp274.html
http://www.seton.com/delineator-sign...sts-sp276.html

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"Rather than installing damage amplifiers (concrete walls, boulders, etc), could you do (or have you done) anything to draw more attention to the fence? Hang reflectors from it, or light the area? Hanging some prismatic reflectors on the fence would cost way less than any of the other options, would take much less effort to install, and are less likely to kill someone if they drive though the intersection." We've got a few of those around here. People just keep crashing into them.

I have noticed that the people that pay attention to their driving never hit fences and poles. Are we supposed to protect the dumb from themselves?
Ventura said you can't legislate stupidity. I believe him. What ever happened to 'Keep the vehicle on the road'?
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Unfortunately, I'd say the amount of people that pay attention to driving is drastically in decline. Look at the NTSBs recent recommendation of banning all mobile devices, for example.

I'm not a lawyer, and maybe there is a lawyer here who can share an opinion, but I can see the following:

You know there is a likelihood, based on recurring past events, that a car is going to travel into the area where there is a fence. You know putting something hard and immovable will cause damage to the vehicle, and potentially injure its occupants. Therefore, you have a preconceived knowledge that putting a hard, immovable barrier in place will injure someone.

Seems like a lawsuit just waiting to be filed, justifiable or not.
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I would think that the cheapest solution, and which indemnifies you the most, would be to hire a lawyer to get the county off their fat ass
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Very few people have a justifiable reason for putting a moat in front of their house, but you do. I would seize the opportunity. How cool!

But seriously, I would go the boulder route. For reasons already stated you don't want a towering wall of rock that will stop someone dead (perhaps literally) but rather something about 1.5-2.0' tall that will probably total the car but not the driver. If they are going fast enough they'll jump the rocks but certainly won't be driving away from the scene.

You can also paint the boulders with reflective white paint which might help to avert collisions, although it's not particularly aesthetic.
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Reflective tape on the fence - maybe a double headed arrow.

You could put a couple posts with reflective tape on the county's land too. At worst they'll move them, but why would they bother.
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Everyone has missed the obvious solution.

Build a big ole ramp in front of the fence.

It should either be steep enough so they clear the yard on take-off, or angled at the top so they at least clear your side fence.

Problem solved.
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Unfortunately, I'd say the amount of people that pay attention to driving is drastically in decline. Look at the NTSBs recent recommendation of banning all mobile devices, for example.

I'm not a lawyer, and maybe there is a lawyer here who can share an opinion, but I can see the following:

You know there is a likelihood, based on recurring past events, that a car is going to travel into the area where there is a fence. You know putting something hard and immovable will cause damage to the vehicle, and potentially injure its occupants. Therefore, you have a preconceived knowledge that putting a hard, immovable barrier in place will injure someone.

Seems like a lawsuit just waiting to be filed, justifiable or not.
Do you have any Target of Wal-Mart stores in your area? The immovable barriers are in plain view. Most service stations have them too, as do convenience stores. You're reading entirely too much into this.

Once the vehicle reaches the fence, the person is already in violation of 1-3 laws already and once inside the fence, the person is trespassing too.
I, for one, won't worry about them damaging their vehicle.
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What if the driver comes through the fence and kills a child? Then would be ok to put up unmovable barriers? Why does she (or maybe a visiting friend) have to lose a life to put up protection? Do the boulders, how would you feel if your dog got killed? How about your niece or nephew?
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You can install spike strips... They are easy to make and install...

Or you can get some iron rods, and fashion a 2' high cage that is angled, and reinforced with small rods on the opposite side of the angle into the ground. So whoever hits it, will hit the iron rods, stop the car, and save your fence. You can spray foam on the edges of the iron cage to minimize damage to people and any vehicle.

Its the same principle of the metal fences that go along roads. It'll damage any vehicle, but it'll save the fence.
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