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Old 06-08-2012, 05:45 PM   #1
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I've had a contractor work on putting up a sealed sunroom porch for us here in Florida. At first when I saw the framing I was a bit concerned at the joint between the wall and the house as it was just up against the vinyl siding of the house.

I didn't ask and this is probably my fault but I assumed they knew what they where doing and a flashing of some sort was going to be used on the outside to ensure it is sealed. Come to find out, I don't believe anything is sealing the room but caulking.

I'm concerned this is not proper construction, but I wouldn't be able to say exactly as I have no direct experience. Can someone take a look at these images and tell me what you think?

As you can see, some water made it in from a rain last night, so I'm very concerned with this!
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Welcome to the forum.

You are correct the vinyl siding should not be caulked like that.

How about a few more pictures from the outside standing back a bit showing the whole area and maybe a picture of how the roof is attached and flashed.

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I have a feeling the right way to do it was to cut the vinyl siding and have the frame against the house. The frame should have been flashed to the house under the siding, but I'm not experienced in this just a decent mechanical understanding of things.

Here are a bunch more pictures, thanks for taking a look.
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More with roofing.
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The porch never should have been built that close to the window.

There should have been J moulding on the inside like they did on the outside where the siding meets the wall. As it expands and contracts it's sure to crack, or even better yet the siding should have been remove so it does not look like an addition.

That roof should have had rafters that ran up onto the old roof, now you do not have enough slope. Attaching just to the fashia is a sure way to have roof leaks. Without the slope there's no way to vent the roof with some small gable vents on the side of the roof.
That small a roof could have been done with a seamless EPDM roof and not had all those seams and screws.

I also never would have left the old vented soffit in place, a sure sign it's an addition not built at the same time as the house.

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There should have been J moulding on the inside like they did on the outside where the siding meets the wall. As it expands and contracts it's sure to crack, or even better yet the siding should have been remove so it does not look like an addition.
That's what I saw too, makes no sense. Why J on one side of the wall and not the other?
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no way! did they demo the soffit or did they frame the roof right off of the overhang, ummm

edit, maybe that is some extreme lightweight pre fab framing material that withstands downward force!
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And the permits and inspections let this pass? Oh wait, no permit, right?

I'm no fan of endless fees and taxes, but permits go a long way toward heading off insanity like this.
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I'll ask about the J molding on the outside.

This does have a permit an inspectors have been coming out signing off from what I see on the list. I'm really not all that worried about the soffit, it is an addition to the home an I'm not asking for it to look otherwise. The fitting of the roof to the overhang is also very typical on Florida porches down here, I know we could have gone with an above roof style installation but the cost was extremely high compared.

I appreciate everyone's remarks, its great to have these areas which could be concern pointed out. Also, final inspection and approval has not been done yet.
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I'll ask about the J molding on the outside.

This does have a permit an inspectors have been coming out signing off from what I see on the list. I'm really not all that worried about the soffit, it is an addition to the home an I'm not asking for it to look otherwise. The fitting of the roof to the overhang is also very typical on Florida porches down here, I know we could have gone with an above roof style installation but the cost was extremely high compared.

I appreciate everyone's remarks, its great to have these areas which could be concern pointed out. Also, final inspection and approval has not been done yet.
In general it is not standard practice to attach any structure to existing roof overhang but to continue the added structure through the overhang and onto exterior wall for full bearing support. probably roof trusses though and the flat of the overhang provides cantilevered support.
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To me it looks like the porch is not properly attached to the house. The siding on the house was not cut. Is this porch a kit?
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The inside lack of J moulding is just a fofo thing, the way it's tied in at the roof will become your biggest issue.
Anyone that does this type work day in and day out can tell you how many DIY porches we have seen that leak right in that area.
There's been a bunch of people on here that had a "pro" install it that way and they all were leaking and the whole thing had to be redone.
Since the old soffit material is still in place that tells me the only thing holding that roof up is rafters attached to a 1 X 6, not run through and sitting on the top plate.

How did they seal the area from the roof up the facha and onto the old roof?
If there counting on gobs of caulking, good luck with that idea.
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To me it looks like the porch is not properly attached to the house. The siding on the house was not cut. Is this porch a kit?
I do not feel it is properly attached either, though no it is not a kit. This is surely going to be a headache...

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The inside lack of J moulding is just a fofo thing, the way it's tied in at the roof will become your biggest issue.
Anyone that does this type work day in and day out can tell you how many DIY porches we have seen that leak right in that area.
There's been a bunch of people on here that had a "pro" install it that way and they all were leaking and the whole thing had to be redone.
Since the old soffit material is still in place that tells me the only thing holding that roof up is rafters attached to a 1 X 6, not run through and sitting on the top plate.

How did they seal the area from the roof up the facha and onto the old roof?
If there counting on gobs of caulking, good luck with that idea.
I wish this was DIY porch, it looks like there was a small flashing that ran across the edge of the room to the facha where the roof was attached to the existing roof. Otherwise, it's just more caulking.. as I mentioned above, this is going to be a serious headache!

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