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Old 06-01-2013, 08:31 PM   #1
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I just added a new sump pump to my crawl space. It is in a plastic bucket that I wrapped with ground cloth. The whole thing is just sitting in a muddy hole in the ground. In another house the basement sump is sitting in a fairly clean cement pit. How do I keep the mud from harming the sump and clogging the discharge pipes? Or is this not a concern?

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It's definitely a concern. Besides the fact it could plug the discharge if the pump is pumping mud it will significantly abrade the impeller if nothing else. Your bucket and ground cloth should help, how dirty as the water in the bucket?

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Why don't you buy a real sump basin? They're available for around $30.
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Why don't you buy a real sump basin? They're available for around $30.

Dave I have looked at those, but I just do not see the difference between that and a bucket with holes drilled in the side. I am not saying you are wrong, but I do not see how that $30.00 item will be any better at stopping mud than my “homemade” version.
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I'm not a expert on sump pumps. But don't they usually put some rocks in them.
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One big help would be to dig a larger hole--place a layer of gravel on the bottom of the hole--then set the pit---then pack the outside of the pit in gravel.

The advantage of a full sized pit? You can add a couple of bricks to the pit and set the pump on them---good if the pit is prone to silting---the pump is not setting in the silt.
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we use big sumps rather'n 5gal bkts to save useless pump cycling,,, you want the pump to be discharging enough wtr to make it worthwhile for the pump to turn on rather than just discharge 4 or 5 pints at a time,,, we excavate about 1 1/2 times the volume of the sump, line the hole w/soil filter cloth, place a couple inches of # 57 stone, set the sump, & then fill the area 'tween sump & dirt w/more #57 stone,,, in extremely muddy situations, we'll add a pump riser but, if you're careful, some bricks or short masonary blocks will also work well,,, we only use zoeller pumps so haven't had any trouble.

discharge lines should ALWAYS work on gravity,,, pump's ONLY job is to get the wtr to a point where it can drain downhill,,, discharge lines should be as straight as possible & pitched 1" down in 10' run,,, this maintains velocity & keeps discharge lines clean

IF you'd spent the addl $30, you probably wouldn't be posting here,,, then again, occasionally crawling about down there might be worth $30 to you
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we excavate about 1 1/2 times the volume of the sump

Please explain this. Are you talking about how deep you make the sump pit? What are you calculations?
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IF you'd spent the addl $30, you probably wouldn't be posting here,,, then again, occasionally crawling about down there might be worth $30 to you


What does the $30.00 plastic container do that my plastic bucket with holes in it will not do? I am not arguing, just trying to understand.

The first problem with the $30.00 one is that the pipe hole is only in one area. I have the perforated pipe emptying the water above the sump pit. The bucket is set below this in the pit. I can certainly see the advantage of having the gravel in the pit and I will add those ASAP.
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A small pit empties and fills faster than a big one---causing your pump to 'short cycle' --running each time the bucket gets about 4 gallons in it---

This uses more electricity and wears out switches in short order---

Gravel does not belong IN the pit---only under it and surrounding the outside.

Stray gravel IN the pit can get lodged in the impeller and jam the pump.
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our sumps are about 22" in diam,,, we dig a 3' diam hole deeper than the sump's height + 3"
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Thanks for the help, but I will have to measure to see if I can get a bucket that large through the crawl space door. It is very tight, and I can barely get myself in there.
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You have discovered the joys of working on a house---

There are three ways of doing things,sometimes---
1.The right way
2. The wrong way
3.The only way!

You have to do what works for your situation---sounds like a bucket might be the only way---------Best luck to you.
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occasionally we'll run into tight quarters/access hatches/working areas,,, there's nothing wrong w/zipping the sump into 2 pieces then putting it back together once you get both halves into position,,, OTHER than its a LARGE PITA then again, difficulty is always a part of the work's cost

1 other point - 1 drill approx 15 3/4" holes into sump's btm & 20 about the perimeter up to a height of 8"

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there's nothing wrong w/zipping the sump into 2 pieces then putting it back together once you get both halves into position,,, OTHER than its a LARGE PITA
How do you secure the two halves back together?

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