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Old 11-11-2011, 10:23 PM   #16
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lets get something straight here.

i knew before i did it, that it wasnt the "right way."

i did it my way, because it was easier, faster, and took the least materials, and least money, and i have yet to be convinced its in any way worse or better, safer or unsafer....than the "right way"....

i am here, to see, if you can convince me that it is worse in anyway than the "right way" with actual evidence, explanation, or any other proof, of why.

if none of you can handle the question....then we can close the thread.

if you cant contribute to the forum or thread and conversation with an actual detailed explanation of to why. then what is your point being here. anyone can find the "right way" to do something by a simple Google search. finding an actual explanation to why you should do it that way, is harder to find.....which is why i am here. for that explanation....from people....I BELIEVE can inform me.....but it sadens me that every time i come here for help, it turns into some huge long boring thread of thats right thats wrong.....and then evolves into a lame uninformative thread of everyone calling me names and getting all upset.

sorry for raising my hand in class.....

seriously guys, i respect you. i really do believe in right and wrong ways to do things......but sometimes i would like an explanation......

seriously, i now have another question.....why is it like this.

do i really seem rude and condescending?

i honestly dont mean to be that way, i always come here with the idea of having a decent informative conversation. why cant we? what is wrong with me that you all just freak out and get offended?

seriously

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Old 11-11-2011, 11:03 PM   #17
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Give me a minute and I'll get some info for you. You have been very patient, thank you.

It has to do with the strength of the face grain layers vs the opposing grain layers. It is rated to be installed perpendicular to the joists. The t&g gives the edge strength and manufacturer recommends gluing the sheets to the joists and gluing the t&g together for better shear. I'll try to find the spec's on it.

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Give me a minute and I'll get some info for you. You have been very patient, thank you.

It has to do with the strength of the face grain layers vs the opposing grain layers. It is rated to be installed perpendicular to the joists. The t&g gives the edge strength and manufacturer recommends gluing the sheets to the joists and gluing the t&g together for better shear. I'll try to find the spec's on it.

Gary
i appreciate you, very, very much....

i apologize if i have seemed rude. i hate for posts to go this way. i guess i just ask questions in the wrong manner or something....i try to be respectful.

thank you.
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:31 PM   #19
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I don't see you as rude. I did remove some posts that didn't "treat others with respect" as per forum rules. I searched some, Ill list them for you to weed through. This is the basis for the ratings:

"Panel Orientation. The strength axis, or original long panel dimension (unless the strength axis is otherwise identified), should run across the supporting members for greatest strength. The load-span tables are based on this orientation."

Here are the listings I found in the limited time I had;

http://www.apawood.org/pablog/index....r-Systems#more

http://www.apawood.org/pablog/index....ly-panels#more

http://www.apawood.org/pablog/index....signation#more

http://www.apawood.org/pablog/index....oove-Play#more

I know drywall has a strength axis, which amounts to quite a bit of stiffness. Post your question at one of those sites or go to their (APA) home page and be a member for free, I am. They have a lot of info there, it's just finding it. I'll check again in the morning for more info.

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Old 11-12-2011, 01:15 AM   #20
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I don't see you as rude. I did remove some posts that didn't "treat others with respect" as per forum rules. I searched some, Ill list them for you to weed through. This is the basis for the ratings:

"Panel Orientation. The strength axis, or original long panel dimension (unless the strength axis is otherwise identified), should run across the supporting members for greatest strength. The load-span tables are based on this orientation."

Here are the listings I found in the limited time I had;

http://www.apawood.org/pablog/index....r-Systems#more

http://www.apawood.org/pablog/index....ly-panels#more

http://www.apawood.org/pablog/index....signation#more

http://www.apawood.org/pablog/index....oove-Play#more

I know drywall has a strength axis, which amounts to quite a bit of stiffness. Post your question at one of those sites or go to their (APA) home page and be a member for free, I am. They have a lot of info there, it's just finding it. I'll check again in the morning for more info.

Gary
Thanks for the info. I looked at it all. All i got from it was that doing it the "right way" got you the maximum strength. however, obtaining the maximum strength is completely different from being structurally sufficient.

i still just find it so hard to believe that doing it the "right way" where edges of the sheets (the 4' edges) are not even fully supported by a joist/2x6 running the length of that edge is in any way more structurally sound than what i have done which is where every edge of every sheet has a joist/2x6 running its full length. as in my thoughts are that if anything, my way would be more structurally sound.

am i really the only one with that thought.

dont get me wrong people. i agree on a larger scale i understand, yeah just do it the "right way". but im doing this small project.....there is a HUGE difference in that.
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Old 11-12-2011, 01:37 PM   #21
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Found it: Sturd-I-Floor, at 24”o.c. loads are per square foot as follows:
The first load numbers are for perpendicular to the joists, second set are for parallel- as yours is:
Deflection- L/360 143#-----31#
L/240 215#-----47#
L/180 286#-----43#
Bending strength- 147#-----63#
From: Q225- APA

What’s done is done. It’s entirely up to you how to proceed. Many good points have been mentioned, with the very reduced loads be careful of weight with the storage items..For really heavy longer items, store them close to the bearing walls below-not in middle of joist span, try to distribute them across multiple joists. This way the plywoods strength would not be a factor.

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