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Old 04-15-2010, 09:47 AM   #16
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Wow simply amazing amount of space. Your yard is bigger than my house. And I probably paid doulbe for mine in NYC. BS I tell you.
Not really that big. About 70' x 150'. And there's only a small front yard... basically no side yards... maybe 8 to 10 feet on each side.

But the plus side is that it is in sunny Florida. We're having a little cool snap right now. The present temperature is 69. Supposed to only reach 80. We may not make much money here, but we can enjoy our poverty, year 'round.

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Thanks for the help guys.... I've been working a lot these past few days so I'll take a closer look at you're replies this weekend... Thanks Again!
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Old 04-16-2010, 08:52 AM   #18
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Not really that big. About 70' x 150'. And there's only a small front yard... basically no side yards... maybe 8 to 10 feet on each side.

But the plus side is that it is in sunny Florida. We're having a little cool snap right now. The present temperature is 69. Supposed to only reach 80. We may not make much money here, but we can enjoy our poverty, year 'round.
LOL. 70' x 150' . That is nuts. My biggest house is 22' x 100'. The property where I live is 20' x 100'. If it wasn't for all my family, I would move out of NYC too.

We might make more money, but we get a whole lot less for it .

Anyways, congrats, it looks great.
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WillieT, those pictures really helped... THANKS!!

A few questions (and don't forget I'm a NEWBIE DIY and pretty clueless):

1. So, are the screws going directly from the top seat boards into the supports bracing (legs)?

2. Are there any certain type of screws to use? I was thinking of using screws that go at least 1 1/2 times as far as the board I'm attaching. For example: if I'm attaching the 1x seat into the bracket, I'd use a screw at least 1 1/2 times longer then 3/4", which is 2 1/4", Right??? Also, do I need to predrill or countersink the screws?

3. At the bottom of the nearest support leg in your first picture. What is the purpose of the extra piece of wood bracing only on the one support leg? (I assume this is attaching the bench to the deck, but why only one side?)

4. Lastly, this is for inside use but on a concrete floor (like a garage atmosphere). Should I use regular lumber or pressure treated? (I'll probably stain or paint it too).

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WillieT, those pictures really helped... THANKS!!

A few questions (and don't forget I'm a NEWBIE DIY and pretty clueless):

1. So, are the screws going directly from the top seat boards into the supports bracing (legs)? Yes. But I used adhesive coated 2" nails from a gun.

2. Are there any certain type of screws to use? I was thinking of using screws that go at least 1 1/2 times as far as the board I'm attaching. For example: if I'm attaching the 1x seat into the bracket, I'd use a screw at least 1 1/2 times longer then 3/4", which is 2 1/4", Right??? Also, do I need to predrill or countersink the screws?

3. At the bottom of the nearest support leg in your first picture. What is the purpose of the extra piece of wood bracing only on the one support leg? (I assume this is attaching the bench to the deck, but why only one side?) Good eye. Most people would have missed that. This deck was put down with a HFS. (Hidden Fastener System) Not the sturdiest way to install, but no screws ever show. Where the bench is installed with the support running parallel with the board, (the short wing), it is sturdy. We used 2 angle fasteners on the insides of each leg. (see the other photo) But where the end support on the long wing crossed, and fastened to, mainly just one board, it had a tendency to flex that deck board some. The addition of that one bottom piece of wood spread the connection forces across a couple more boards, and eliminated the flex.

4. Lastly, this is for inside use but on a concrete floor (like a garage atmosphere). Should I use regular lumber or pressure treated? (I'll probably stain or paint it too). Any wood that touches concrete should be PT... OR... somehow isolated from direct contact with the concrete. Concrete always has moisture in it, and the warmer wood attracts that moisture to itself, keeping that area of contact almost always wet. Fresh water and wood breed mold... which is nothing more than ROT.

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As heavy as it will likely be, and the fact you say it's for indoors, I wouldn't pay extra $$$ for the PT lumber.... IF you get some "tack-on" slider buttons for the bottoms of the feet. (much cheaper)
It'll keep plastic between the wood and the concrete, and make it LOTS easier to slide around when you want to move it!

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Thanks Again!! I REALLY appreciate your help.

WillieT, you've been really helpful and spent a lot of time on this topic, so don't feel obligated to answer this one, but your answer to my question below has generated some more questions for me.

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1. So, are the screws going directly from the top seat boards into the supports bracing (legs)? Yes. But I used adhesive coated 2" nails from a gun.

1. Did you use any glue on this project (other then the adhesive coated nails)?

2. Should I use 2" nails for the entire thing, 1x and 2x material? For example, when I put the leg braces together.

3. And the complex one, why nails and not screws???? I guess as a newbie I'm under the impression that screws are better then nails. (I have a framing gun, so this would greatly speed up the process; however, I'm not in a rush. I just want to build my friend something sturdy and doesn't look like I threw it together carelessly.)

OH, one more..... could I build the legs out of PT wood and the seat from regular lumber? (don't laugh, but PT wood makes me nervous to sit on because of the chemicals...... I need to do some research on this topic to become more educated).

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Thanks Again!! I REALLY appreciate your help.

WillieT, you've been really helpful and spent a lot of time on this topic, so don't feel obligated to answer this one, but your answer to my question below has generated some more questions for me.




1. Did you use any glue on this project (other then the adhesive coated nails)?Yes. The support piece on both the large bench with the back and the support pieces on the small bench are through-bolted with either two or three bolts and glued where their pieces join. The play area guard rails and the ladder were also glued and gun nailed.

2. Should I use 2" nails for the entire thing, 1x and 2x material? For example, when I put the leg braces together. I used 12d nails from a gun for the supports, and 18 gauge gun nails for the seats. 15 gauge would be no problem.

3. And the complex one, why nails and not screws???? I guess as a newbie I'm under the impression that screws are better then nails. (I have a framing gun, so this would greatly speed up the process; however, I'm not in a rush. I just want to build my friend something sturdy and doesn't look like I threw it together carelessly.) Any parts that will be subjected to shear forces, twisting or flexing should be nailed. This is because nails bend a little (and often a lot) with no problem. Screws tend to snap off. Screws are fine for holding the boards down to the supports, but not for constructing the supports, themselves.

OH, one more..... could I build the legs out of PT wood and the seat from regular lumber? (don't laugh, but PT wood makes me nervous to sit on because of the chemicals...... I need to do some research on this topic to become more educated). Yes. In fact I would never make a seating surface of treated wood for the very reason... chemicals.

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"Yes. In fact I would never make a seating surface of treated wood for the very reason... chemicals."

Really.... who needs a copperbutt? (and Lord knows what else!) LOL

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I picked up the materials at Lowe's today and finally started the project!! I completed the legs and will mount the seat boards and support brackets on Wed, and then I'll probably paint it on Sat (minus the PT legs).

I went with an 8' bench with four legs instead of two 6' benches like I originally planned. I also used 2x6's for the seat, so it's going to be HEAVY. I'm a little nervous about the supports because I'm still not 'exactly' sure how you connected them, but I think I'm going to cut 45' angles and mount them with 3 1/2" deck screws directly from the outside of the legs and down from the center seat board. (I know you said to use 3 1/4" nails, but they were really expensive and I had the screws from a previous project). I hope that's acceptable????? I used 5" carriage bolts and glue for the legs (very sturdy!!!!).

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That all sounds good. I might suggest seeing if you can figure some way to screw "up" from the supports into the 2x6 seat boards... without coming through the top surface. Wherever you drive a screw down through the seat surface, you run the risk of creating splinters around the screw head.
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I might suggest seeing if you can figure some way to screw "up" from the supports into the 2x6 seat boards
OK, I'll experiment with that idea.... Thank You for all your help. (I'm very excited about this small project!)

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