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jhack836 06-16-2012 10:45 AM

stupid people...
 
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i am tearing out all the crap in the basement the previous homeowner did or had done. i guarentee they had no idea what the hell they were doing. i knew once i started tearing stuff out i wanted to add another poll for the beam since i noticed there was a long stretch without one which i thought was weird but now i know why there wasnt one!! the dumbass people cut it out to put a fireplace in and didnt re enfornce anything! just cut it out like it is no big deal

hand drive 06-16-2012 10:48 AM

what type of beam is above the cut out post? maybe they reinforced the beam elsewhere??

jhack836 06-16-2012 10:49 AM

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the pic of the wiring is just one example of about 15 different locations of they know how to wire in the basement behind walls or inside walls or just free floating, i removed all that crap and installed a new breaker box

jhack836 06-16-2012 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by hand drive (Post 944779)
what type of beam is above the cut out post? maybe they reinforced the beam elsewhere??

a I beam. i dont see any reinforcement anywhere else. i mean look at the wiring, it doesnt look like they had any idea what they were doing. i mean who cuts out a structural post to put a fire place in!!

KevinPh 06-16-2012 11:13 AM

If its a steel I-beam, the post may not be necessary. It depends on the size of the I-beam and the span. You can look this up online or consult an engineer to see if its sufficient.

hand drive 06-16-2012 11:16 AM

pics of the i beam and its end bearing points and all bearing points in between ( minus taken out post) will be really helpful

Joe Carola 06-16-2012 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jhack836
i am tearing out all the crap in the basement the previous homeowner did or had done. i guarentee they had no idea what the hell they were doing. i knew once i started tearing stuff out i wanted to add another poll for the beam since i noticed there was a long stretch without one which i thought was weird but now i know why there wasnt one!! the dumbass people cut it out to put a fireplace in and didnt re enfornce anything! just cut it out like it is no big deal

Like so many homeowners do when they do illegal work with no permits and inspections. Nothing. new!

user1007 06-16-2012 11:26 AM

It is scary but I seem to be aging into someone less cynical. It is not really bad yet but my reaction to your post was that most people are not inherently stupid but finding the stupid things they do sure does not take much looking. This especially true following up on DIY projects. I think of all the trouble people get themselves into trying to reinvent wheels and thinking they have better logic, approaches and reasoning that all that went into established building codes and practices and I just shake me head some of the time.

The good news is you are finding and fixing the stupid stuff done at your place before it caused problems. Count your blessings! At least they used decent wire and invested in wire nuts! I found one addition where people used zip cord for power runs.

jhack836 06-16-2012 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Carola (Post 944812)
Like so many homeowners do when they do illegal work with no permits and inspections. Nothing. new!

yup it was a forclosed house so i knew alot of what i was getting into.i do that for my job


It is scary but I seem to be aging into someone less cynical. It is not really bad yet but my reaction to your post was that most people are not inherently stupid but finding the stupid things they do sure does not take much looking. This especially true following up on DIY projects. I think of all the trouble people get themselves into trying to reinvent wheels and thinking they have better logic, approaches and reasoning that all that went into established building codes and practices and I just shake me head some of the time.

The good news is you are finding and fixing the stupid stuff done at your place before it caused problems. Count your blessings! At least they used decent wire and invested in wire nuts! I found one addition where people used zip cord for power runs.

yup that is true. good thing mike holmes isnt here ha. although he would be happy that i am fixing the problem and not just covering it up with some 2x4s and paint

jhack836 06-16-2012 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hand drive (Post 944805)
pics of the i beam and its end bearing points and all bearing points in between ( minus taken out post) will be really helpful

when i get home i will get some pics. im going to put a line across it to see how much it sagged. its probably been like that for years. the house is 40 years old. i havent noticed any cracking or anything like that to suggest it dropped alot

user1007 06-16-2012 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jhack836 (Post 944859)
its probably been like that for years. the house is 40 years old. i havent noticed any cracking or anything like that to suggest it dropped alot

As you know or can guess, this hardly matters if tonight the beam/joist gives out for lack of support and it snaps! Melodramatic I suppose but it is good you are addressing if the post should have been there all this time. :thumbup:

jhack836 06-16-2012 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sdsester (Post 944933)
As you know or can guess, this hardly matters if tonight the beam/joist gives out for lack of support and it snaps! Melodramatic I suppose but it is good you are addressing if the post should have been there all this time. :thumbup:

ya no kidding

jhack836 06-16-2012 07:53 PM

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1st pic is the end that has 2 other polls. the 2nd pic is the other end of the house that has one poll so basically im missing a poll in the center of my house.

I---------No Poll--------I---------I

the span is about 20 feet in between where the one is cut out. im just finishing up tearing off the ceiling so i can run a line across to see the sag. i cant see it visually which is always a good sign. just hoping it isnt inches!

jhack836 06-16-2012 09:38 PM

this basement tearout is not going too well. i keep finding more and more things done wrong that the home inspector missed. its alot of plumbing issues now as i can see someone half assed it when they re did the bathroom. they knotched out floor joices and they replaced some sub floor but left some that was definetly really wet at one point and should have been replaced too unless the water damage happened after the updates. the joy of owning my 1st home! at least i like to fix this stuff otherwise id be pretty pist right now. it sucks because i thought my home inspector did a good job but i think now i could have done a better job.

jhack836 06-16-2012 09:40 PM

same thing with the kitchen sub floor as i tear off the ceiling in the basement and see a lot of water damage! i will take pics and post tomarrow


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