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Old 02-24-2007, 06:06 PM   #16
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Well since you attempted a fix by yourself, I'll assume you are an avid DIY'er. You already have a 3x3 hole in your floor, and as I understand it they are going to fix you issue from the outside of your home. Once they do that the inside hole should be water free. At that point in time you could install this....






part yourself. Although without the interior drain system, you would really just be pulling some air throught the gravel underneath your slab, and most of you air from the basement via the vent in the floor, and dispensing it outside via the 4" PVC Fan.... like this one....

http://www.fantech.net/radon.htm

The benifit I see is that you could avioid having B-dry plumb you humidifier, and you could eliminate your humidifer all together....

One note, they said that once it's installed it basically takes your conditioned air from upstairs and pulls it into your basement which typically requires a vent to be installed in the door which separates your basement from the rest of your house, to allow for that airflow. It is supposed to change the air i think it was 6-10 times, basically depends on air volume of your basement, they don't have various size fans, 1 size fits all. The salesman said that it wouldn't cause more heating or air conditioning costs, their research was showing a 6% savings in heat/cool costs, but they know for sure it won't add to the expense....

Anyways, you should ask your salesmen, B-dry is a franchise, so it's very possible that they just aren't up to speed regarding this part of their companys product.....

Don't forget to take lots of pics and post them here on DIYchatroom.com when the jobs starts! I'd love to see them!

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Old 02-24-2007, 09:02 PM   #17
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only around the full perimeter. It'll look just like yours, only more expensive, unfortunately. The outside work will be the 100-120' gravity drain to daylight. Another difference will be that I will have neither a sump nor a pump. They tell me it'll have a clean out plug and that's it. My existing 2 week old sump will be filled in and cemented over. I'll be glad to see it go. Don't like in the least relying on pumps, etc. Seems my water table is just below my floor- I havn't run my pump for a good week or so. The water just stays at the bottom of the slab..... What a PITA! It's puzzling, since my exterior footing drains are dry, hence my decision to try a sump. I figured a pump wouldn't be so bad if it only fired a few times per year. Was I ever wrong! Right now I am scheduled with Bdry for March 26, if the weather cooperates. Can't bring in a backhoe if the ground is frozen and/or if there is too much snow cover. Did I mention how much I HATE winter?

Since I'll have the full interior destruction like in your pics, I could fairly easily add the device you show. Might be harder if it requires an actual sump, since they affirmatively do not suggest one. I need to look into this. At least all the moving of stuff required will facilitate a suspended ceiling to make the basement look less crappy. 3/4 of it will be fairly easy. The other 1/4--not so much.

My ducts in one area about 18x9 are positioned such that I'll have to make a "Rube Goldberg" contraption and cover them with plywood spanning adjacent soffits. Kinda hard to explain. Three parallel trunk lines don't give me any places to attach hanging wires or enough headspace to drop the ceiling in that limited area, so I'll have to box them with soffits and span the space with painted plywood installed with removable fasteners for future service work. Planning for it is giving me a headache!

If the dampness recedes enough, I may even consider an epoxy floor. I have no intent of ever finishing the space. I use it for storage and a workshop. Got enough space above ground. Right now I'm finishing restoring an old '79 Suzuki TS185 I've had since new. The carb is down your way with a guy in Kennesaw who specializes in restoring old carbs. Just bought a '75 TS75, which was my first bike when I was 12 or so. That'll be next winter's project. Don't know what I'll do with a minibike, but I always wanted another of my first "real" motorcycle.

All things considered, I wish I had a full concrete house. Can't believe how flimsy modern construction is. Having all of 1/2" of plywood, 1/2" of sheetrock and a little vinyl siding seperating me from the outdoors seems so.....lame. My wife, who knew nothing about construction, was stunned when the house was going up. She could not believe how weak and flimsy the whole wood framing concept is.

If I had my way I'd have slab to attic concrete covered with stone and a roof to match. Maybe someday.... I'll remember to take some pics and post them in about a month or so if all goes well.

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Old 02-25-2007, 10:40 AM   #18
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So the backhoe is for the 100-120 foot of drain needed outside your home, got it. Yeah, one could design it in a manner where no sump is used I would think.

We plan to finish 1/3 of our basement. We will have a bar, already have the pool table set up, couple couches and some chairs etc. We have exposed heating/cooling ducts as well. We are designing (well my wife's compnay) the bar, it's in a U shape, where the bartender stands will be underneath the stairs....

here is pic of that area...


Anyways, with what they have come up with design wise, we are just going to paint the ceiling (joists pipes electric wires) flat black, and leave the a/c ducts silver (they'll get painted too) for a very industrial look. I'll be building walls to cover up all of b-drys plastic, but they will stop short of the ceiling by about 16" with nothing extending to the ceiling (look like you could push them over) and then lighting wil be installed behind the walls so it reflects up to the ceiling and out, but you can't actually see it.....

The other 2/3 of basement is my shop.

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Old 03-05-2007, 01:39 PM   #19
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JWS3 - I did not read all the follow-up posts to your original message. The key thing in your first post was your statement "any eventual system would likely be routed to daylight like my footing drains"

So - You are saying you have a footing drain that is gravity fed to daylight? That's an ideal situation. I would suspect the gravity drain is just clogged up or contaminated. I would not spend a whole boat load of cash without having this system looked into. Maybe hire one of those guys with a pipe camera.

What I would do.
1- Leave your jury rigged sump pump in place for now.
2- have your exterior daylight drain system inspected, repaired or replaced
3- pitch your sump or leave it as a backup if your perimeter drain again fails.

Your existing system should be able to handle your water, aparently it cant for some reason. Fix that first.
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Old 03-05-2007, 02:43 PM   #20
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The exterior drains work quite well. In fact, I waited until they ran dry before starting this project. We checked them for function and they do work.

After consulting with my builders and others, the issue is apparently the underground water table. Recent rains have made it worse. Seems the slab for whatever reason gets hit with the water table fairly hard. I suspect the exterior drains are higher than they should be or perhaps a portion of the slab is near a spring, which is a distinct possibility. Seems we built the house at the very end of what we all now realize was a drought. If only we had built 12" higher..........

Since I've had water coming in on all 4 walls in bad storms I am looking for a global --and permanent-- solution. I can't leave the sump in place as it fills up VERY quickly and levels off just up against or slightly past the bottom of the slab. If I try to pump put what's there it'll fire every 5 minutes. Fighting a head on battle with the water table is a losing proposition. I prefer to drain only what is needed and redirect it outwards towards a gravity drain. No pumps, no power issues, nothing to worry about excpt whether the floor will be dry enough for me to consider an epoxy paint.

Still, I am as always open to suggestions. Thanks to all for their imput and comments.
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Old 03-06-2007, 08:35 AM   #21
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My exterior foundation drain worked as well. It just didn't work well enough.

If you had a spring under your slab I think it would not reguire a storm for your sump pump to fill up and your basment to flood. Therefore I don't think you have a spring. However just because water comes out of the current system it obviously doesn't work well enough....
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I prefer to drain only what is needed and redirect it outwards towards a gravity drain. No pumps, no power issues, nothing to worry about

The problem is the water level under the slab is not finding its way to the gravity, daylight drain.

Seems you know the RIGHT fix. Excavate and install a daylight drain that will accommodate the water under you slab. This may, or may not, connect up to your current system.
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Old 03-06-2007, 09:16 AM   #23
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The problem is that the exterior drains DO work (I've seen them move a decent amount of water), yet do nothing for the interior. The builder tried boring weep holes through the footings under the slab, which helped, but never solved the whole problem.

Since I cannot re-do the exterior footings without tremendous expense & rupping out decks, full front porches and much more, I am limited to interior work. Wish there was a better way.

The current idea is to have both interior and exterior drains running in parallel and out to daylight. They may even be hooked together as a failsafe in case one breaks.

Thanks again to all.
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Old 03-23-2007, 10:45 PM   #24
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They started today & got about 80% of the jackhammering done. Saw more water than I expected just under the slab, which at least confirms that the work is needed. I anticipate they'll need another 4 or so full days. At least the weather is supposed to cooperate, meaning they should be able to get a backhoe and dig the trench for the gravity drain.

Can't believe this is costing about 13K- I chalk it up to NY prices. But, what can I do? Too much for me alone. There is more than enough water to confirm the need for the job. It'll be nice to not have to worry about rain, etc in the future.

I'll post more as the job proceeds.
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Old 04-19-2007, 11:47 PM   #25
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So far, so good. Although my wallet is considerably lighter the job is done, including a 140 or so foot trench out to day light. No sump pump is a good thing!

They did a decent job, although I wish the top coat of mortar/cement was thicker than the 1 12/-2" they used. Seems the pipes need to be at a certain height which precludes a full 4" of reinforced concrete. Basically, the square pipes are wrapped in gravel/heavy landscape like fabric, sit on a gravel base woh more gravel on top, with all capped by a 2" layer of mortar.

On the whole, a good crew. Neat, clean and on time. If only their pricing was a bit more reasonable....

Thanks to all here for their help and input.
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Old 10-15-2008, 03:39 PM   #26
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HI, does grading the land of the surrouding perimeter possibly change floor seepage?
Also, is a standing pipe in the city drain make sense?
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Old 10-15-2008, 04:45 PM   #27
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It can, under some circumstances, fix your problem. I am not sure what you mean by the city pipe matter, however.
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:38 AM   #28
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And with 1800+ views, no less, here's an update:

So far so good. No water in the basement. Super heavy rains of the kind I've only seen every several years almost filled the discharge pipe when the water being discharged couldn't flow away fast enough! A little digging at the outlet & all is well. Still a bit humid in the basement, but at least there's no standing water

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