Stone Veneer over Cinder Blocks

bernieb · 03-21-2011, 09:47 AM

One thought while getting started on the lay-up of the rock, and since your butting against a band board so to speak and depending on the pattern of the puzzle pieces , you may need to work from the top down, to keep you from cutting every piece. And this question is for Jomama45, would it help to add some builders lime to the mortar to make it cling better on the lay-up?

jomama45 · 03-21-2011, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bernieb

One thought while getting started on the lay-up of the rock, and since your butting against a band board so to speak and depending on the pattern of the puzzle pieces , you may need to work from the top down, to keep you from cutting every piece.

Excellent point that I meant to make as well. We almost always lay from the top down, for a number of reasons, but mostly to keep the staining from mortar droppings to a minimum. The only time we typically lay from the bottom -up is on natural thin sawn stone, which are far heavier with less "bite" on the back of the stone.

And this question is for Jomama45, would it help to add some builders lime to the mortar to make it cling better on the lay-up?

Usually, either Type N or S will contain a sufficient amount of lime. I would suggest adding 8-16 ounces of a admix. bonding agent to each full size batch though if the stone aren't sticking well. A little bonding agent can really work wonders especially on the NTV stone I mentioned above.

JulesB · 03-21-2011, 07:22 PM

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I would at least power wash the wall first possibly even etch it with acid if I thought it was necessary.

Will definitely pressure wash it. It really looks clean, porous and "dry", so I think I'm all right without etching.

After that, you treat it as a prepped wall, no lath or pre-coat necessary in almost all apps. I would recommend a tinted basecoat of plaster if you're installing a drystack stone w/o grout in the joints though.

Haven't secured a name for the style yet, but plan to attempt matching the look to that of the stone foundations of the neighboring homes. This one is 1950, surrounding homes 1910ish. So it will be a grouted variety.

You really don't need an angle or temporary support of any kind IF you are applying correctly with the correct mortar.

That's music to my ears

As for brands, the options are endless. Getting under $7 a sq. foot will limit you somewhat, but I would check out a local masonry supplier to see what options they have.

Pros or Cons on purchasing from the local big box stores? ie home depot or Lowes? Price differences? Quality?

Appreciate you chiming in.
Regards,
Jules

JulesB · 03-21-2011, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bernieb

One thought while getting started on the lay-up of the rock, and since your butting against a band board so to speak and depending on the pattern of the puzzle pieces , you may need to work from the top down, to keep you from cutting every piece.

Barring slippage, I had planned on running top to bottom, as being a newbie at it, I'm sure I'll be somewhat messy. But I hadn't even thought about factoring in the band as a starting line. Starting at the top is a must now. And since I'll be running them to the dirt, I see far less cutting. Thanks.

Hardrock · 08-20-2011, 10:15 PM

Hi, i`m using real stone,(granite),on a chimney covered in lathe. Using the "lick n stick" method i`m now using pre-mixed mortar and adding masonary cement to the mix. I also have been using a bonder& fortifier to brush on the lathe and mix into the final colored mortar mix that i use to fill in the gaps. The big issue i am having is the time it takes for each stone to grab the cinderblocks of the chimney and support its own weight. It takes to long. It can be done but i`d really like to cut down on the time i have to hold the stone in place till the mortar carries the weight. Is there an adhesive or additive aside from what i`m using to bond the stone to the chimney block quickly? Thanks.

Anthony

Bud Cline · 08-20-2011, 10:38 PM

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It can be done but i`d really like to cut down on the time i have to hold the stone in place till the mortar carries the weight.

Then stop making it up as you go. Where on earth are you getting these ideas. You sound like you are teaching a chemistry class and trying to re-invent the wheel at the same time.

You are using all the wrong stuff. Where are you getting this crap?

On top of all of that nonsense you have hijacked someone else's thread too.

Hardrock · 08-20-2011, 11:40 PM

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Then stop making it up as you go. Where on earth are you getting these ideas. You sound like you are teaching a chemistry class and trying to re-invent the wheel at the same time.

You are using all the wrong stuff. Where are you getting this crap?

On top of all of that nonsense you have hijacked someone else's thread too.

Why thanks Bud, that was...really constructive and helpful. Instead of running me down in the dirt, how about telling me what the right stuff IS and...what to do. Don`t concider it "hijacking" i`m new here and asking a question. Wow, what an awesome reception.

Bud Cline · 08-20-2011, 11:50 PM

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Why thanks Bud, that was...really constructive and helpful. Instead of running me down in the dirt, how about telling me what the right stuff IS and...what to do. Don`t concider it "hijacking" i`m new here and asking a question. Wow, what an awesome reception.

Didn't intend for it to be helpful and I've never been a member of any welcoming committee here. It seems you already have all of the answers, you don't need me.

Guys like you are a dime a dozen around here. You come in here after trying all kinds of asinine things you made up on your own and then when you get yourself in trouble you want to be bailed out but lack the ability to take any criticism.

You haven't answered my question so I'll ask again ! Where on earth did you get those ideas you have been using?

And you are still hijacking someone else's thread. Why don't you start your own thread?

Feel free.

Hardrock · 08-21-2011, 08:07 AM

Didn't intend for it to be helpful and I've never been a member of any welcoming committee here. It seems you already have all of the answers, you don't need me.

Guys like you are a dime a dozen around here. You come in here after trying all kinds of asinine things you made up on your own and then when you get yourself in trouble you want to be bailed out but lack the ability to take any criticism.

You haven't answered my question so I'll ask again ! Where on earth did you get those ideas you have been using?

Insane things huh? Well, i did my homework. I researched how to do it on the net. I asked tons of questions from ALOT of masons. I`m not dry stacking. So NO, i did NOT make up anything on my own. The only thing i wanted to know was if there was a better concrete product to use to cut down on the time it takes for the stone to adhear to the chinmey block. Instead, i get a responce from some arrogant ******* who really does not want to help anyone but is just proud of his thread count. Unfortunately, guys like YOU are a dime a dozen too. That`s why consumers made things like Angies list. So that can watch out for people like YOU.