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emg0fnv 01-20-2012 03:07 PM

sonotubes under a concrete slab
 
anybody ever heard of pouring a concrete slab over a sonotube enclosed area. Such as a 24 x24 garage. Place sonotubes around the perimeter and then pouring the concrete slab. The sonotubes would maybe act as a frost wall. Ok heres your chance to tell me im an idiot

concretemasonry 01-20-2012 03:40 PM

You would need a thicker structural slab that is reinforced with rebar. The thickness and spacing of rebar will depend on the slab size and the Sonotube spacing.

What part of the world are you hiding in (no location provided in the profile). The climate has something to do with the answer.

Dick

TarheelTerp 01-20-2012 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by emg0fnv (Post 829124)
Ok heres your chance to tell me im an idiot

tsk... you say that like you've never heard it before.

what wheel are you trying to reinvent here?
or did a hundred or so sonotubes fall off the back of a tuck?

joed 01-20-2012 06:44 PM

I have seen sidewalks over unstable soil done similar to the sink a few sonos in critical areas to act as foundation and pour the slab.

jomama45 01-20-2012 10:10 PM

I've only done this once, and it was a building that housed bovine. I wouldn't suggest it, especially if you have a building dept. to answer to.

mae-ling 01-20-2012 10:45 PM

DO it all the time for attached garages. Thicken the edge of the slab.

emg0fnv 01-21-2012 10:32 AM

Im in the north east. I dream this stuff up and wonder why not. No I didnt get a hundred sonotubes. I guess I should of given more information. I was thinking of building a pole barn type of building. And using sonotube to construct the pole barn on. With this building there is no center wall, all open. I was wondering how I would pour a cement slab in the middle of this thing.

joecaption 01-21-2012 10:49 AM

And what's going to keep the walls from swaying if the post are not sat into the ground?
The inside area is going to have to be back filled enough so the siding is at least 6" above the grade. SO the siding does not come near the grade.
Anytime I've seen or built a pole barn we use 6 X 6's set in the ground at least 2' (below the frost line) holes get back filled with concrete, A trench gets dug out around the outside even with the post to form a berm so the slab will be thicker on the outside edges, form boards get screwed to the outside of the post so the center of the slab will be at least 4" thick.
You should lay 6 mil. plastic down before the pore as a vaper barrier. If it's to be heated you could also lay foam down.
Personaly I think this is a job for a pro concrete finisher not a DIY. It's a one shot deal, done wrong and there's going to be low spots, cracks ect.
Once that truck shows up there is no going back.

mae-ling 01-21-2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by emg0fnv (Post 829932)
Im in the north east. I dream this stuff up and wonder why not. No I didnt get a hundred sonotubes. I guess I should of given more information. I was thinking of building a pole barn type of building. And using sonotube to construct the pole barn on. With this building there is no center wall, all open. I was wondering how I would pour a cement slab in the middle of this thing.

Are you saying a concrete slab as in a garare type with sonotubes filled with concrete around the edge under the slab then build a pole barn on top of that?

Pole barns sink the poles in the ground and have no concrete piles or concrete floors usually (around here anyway). As soon as you are doing all that concrete work anyway you may as well build a frame building, it will actually be easier and cheaper.

pafred 02-03-2012 07:34 PM

I'm not building a pole barn, only a covered patio. do sono-tubes require footing? (42" below fg)

mae-ling 02-03-2012 08:44 PM

In some areas yes they do.

Red Squirrel 02-03-2012 09:09 PM

My fear would be that the slab's movement would counter the sonotube movement, and you'd get cracking. For example if the sonotube concrete pillars are pushed because of the frost, you'd get a bunch of bumps in the slab with cracks. Best to keep it uniform. Now if the pillars are strictly holding the entire slab up with zero dependance on the ground, then you'd be ok, but that would be more involved to build. Then again, I'm no expert here, maybe I'm way off.

COLDIRON 02-04-2012 06:37 AM

Why not dig a perimeter trench about 8" wide down below the frost line and pour a monolithic slab with the plates right on the perimeter of the slab.

If you have the right height if not go to plan B.


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