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pattib 02-22-2010 12:45 PM

Are Silverline windows all that bad?
 
17 crummy aluminum windows + 1 patio door, original to this 37 yr old house, have to go! We are also adding siding and maybe re-doing concrete sidewalks/driveways. Already received quotes from 2 contractors; both in the mid $30,000 range, all inclusive for work requested. Both quotes were for Silverline vinyl casement windows and contractor #2 is using Alside siding; not sure on the brand for contractor #1. Both were recommended by friends but I am stuck as to the quality of Silverline and casement windows as compared to other brands and window styles, like double hung. There are so many different construction materials out there and so many pros and cons that I am having difficulty making a decision. The installation/reframing procedures explained by both men seem to ensure a tight fit. But some threads I've read trash Silverline as low end vinyl goods so I question whether that brand will work as well other pricier mid-range brands, given the same installation process. And will Silverlines continue to operate w/o failure to the crank mechanism, frame, glass seal etc. We priced vinyl only b/c it seemed maintenance free and eliminated the need to paint the interior frames and sashes to match white window trim. I hope the prices quoted are fair for the work being done, too. Any feedback would be appreciated.:confused1:

Skuce 02-23-2010 01:14 AM

http://www.vinyl-windows.org/

http://www.vinyl-windows.org/Vinyl-Window-Facts.htm

brons2 02-23-2010 01:19 AM

That's bunk, a lot of people down here in Texas have vinyl windows and don't have the sorts of problems that are detailed on that site. And it gets plenty hot down here, like 42C/108F last summer here in Austin.

Skuce 02-23-2010 02:12 AM

A lot of people down in Texas do have the problems. Everywhere else in the world too. But hey...vinyl windows are a 3 Billion dollar a year industry in the States. Guess they must last forever to make that much money each year? And I guess Vinyl Chloride isn't on the list of dangerous chemicals higher than Lead?

Any town in any state. Go for a walk and take a close look. The count list gets big really really fast.

I go for solid wood windows ANY day of the week.

Dairylander 02-23-2010 09:35 AM

It's just like anything else, you get what you pay for.
I think the more important question is how long you plan on being in the house.
If you're in it for a few decades, make the the upgrade.

brons2 02-23-2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Skuce (Post 404562)
A lot of people down in Texas do have the problems. Everywhere else in the world too. But hey...vinyl windows are a 3 Billion dollar a year industry in the States. Guess they must last forever to make that much money each year? And I guess Vinyl Chloride isn't on the list of dangerous chemicals higher than Lead?

Any town in any state. Go for a walk and take a close look. The count list gets big really really fast.

I go for solid wood windows ANY day of the week.

Who are people who run the site that you posted?

What product are they selling?

Why don't they put their name on the site, or for that matter any sort of description about who they are?

A WHOIS tells me nothing

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brons2 02-23-2010 10:44 AM

http://www.vinyl-windows.org/USEE.htm

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Wood Wooden window frames are better insulating than metal frames (about R-1.4 per inch of thickness) and help to prevent cold weather condensation problems inside the house. However wood does require maintenance (i.e. painting). If they aren’t protected from moisture, they can stick, crack, and rot.



Hum. Sounds like a great choice for a location in the humid southeastern US, eh?

Skuce 02-23-2010 11:23 AM

New Orleans has the largest collection of 19th century buildings in the USA. Really humid there...but their wood windows seem pretty fine for the last 200 years.

brons2 02-23-2010 01:24 PM

Irrelevant. Wood framed windows were the only choice available in the early 1800s.

How many wood installations do you see in NOLA in 2010? I'd guess the vast majority are aluminum, which seems to be the predominant choice in the South. I have not been down there since the Mardi Gras right before Katrina though.

parts 02-23-2010 03:57 PM

There are good and bad vinyl and wood windows. Most of the ones on the linked site were very poorly installed. Some of the higher end Silverline windows aren't that bad. I have vinyl clad wood in my home and they are also maintainance free but cost more

Tom Struble 02-23-2010 04:59 PM

what the sites says is true...it may be pretty dated info tho
there are some great vinyl windows out there

but you could set up site just like that and list the disadvantages of any window type with that same broad brush

i prefer wood also plus i know better than to argue with a true beliver:wink:

HomeSealed 02-24-2010 12:14 AM

There are very good vinyl windows out there, just as there are very good wood windows and fiberglass windows. There are pros and cons to each. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that is either lying or ignorant. Silverline is NOT a good vinyl product IMO.

mmarse1 12-30-2012 08:12 PM

Yes, Silverline are very poorly made and viewed as bottom of the barrel by most pro's. when you think of a cheap looking, flimsy vinyl window, silverline comes to mind. Pella thermostar is another cheaply made window that low budget contractors seem to use along with Excalibur by Alside.

High end vinyl window brands actually perform better than a wood window and also look nice. Some higher end brands are Okna , HiMark, Soft Lite, Gorell, and Sunrise .

SuperJETT 12-30-2012 10:39 PM

And you just replied to an almost 3 year old thread.


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