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Old 08-24-2013, 05:12 PM   #16
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same difference.. either way it has to be done as i stated
same difference? How is a the slab and foundation wall the same? explain.

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Kirk---If the foundation is level enough to shim and grout the treated plate, then stick framing is not needed----
You are right---if the treated bottom plate is not level--then the chalk line over head is needed to mark each stud----
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I've never stick framed garage walls. Frame the wall and lift it over and on the bolts.

If you're worried about the foundation wall not being level for the garage what's that say about the rest of the house? I've seen more issues with foundations being out of square than not level.

Maybe it's different with blocks, everything in the NW is poured.
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I've never stick framed garage walls. Frame the wall and lift it over and on the bolts.

If you're worried about the foundation wall not being level for the garage what's that say about the rest of the house? I've seen more issues with foundations being out of square than not level.

Maybe it's different with blocks, everything in the NW is poured.
if the foundation wall ends up not perfectly level is it ok to shim the sill plate?
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if the foundation wall ends up not perfectly level is it ok to shim the sill plate?
If I knew the foundation wall wasn't level I'd stick frame it but there's no reason a new wall shouldn't be level.
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around here most of the residential foundations not only arent square but their not level either. the worst ive seen recently was 2 1/2" out of level. so the knee walls had to be stick framed..

personally i dont like shimming plates. id rather the sil plate be hard to the foundation than have to fill underneath it.

no one here uses block for foundations, the only time their used is for fire walls in townhouses and commercial spaces.. all the foundations are either panel forming or icf
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It's rare for a foundation to be out of level beyond shimming----if the shims are thicker than the sill seal--then grout must be poured under the gap.

I've never had to stick build a garage----but we have always had good concrete companies do the foundations.
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around here most of the residential foundations not only arent square but their not level either. the worst ive seen recently was 2 1/2" out of level. so the knee walls had to be stick framed..
That's pretty bad Kirk, I'd surely blow a gasket if that was common place.
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It's rare for a foundation to be out of level beyond shimming----if the shims are thicker than the sill seal--then grout must be poured under the gap.

I've never had to stick build a garage----but we have always had good concrete companies do the foundations.
I have a question that I have meant to ask. When you refer to grout are we talking about the same product for tiling?
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I have a question that I have meant to ask. When you refer to grout are we talking about the same product for tiling?

non shrink grout...
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I have a question that I have meant to ask. When you refer to grout are we talking about the same product for tiling?
Sort of---in the bagged concrete section of the store you will find masons grout---same sort of product---but cheaper and not so colorful
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in new construction its common, especially in production settings.. .

we do all of our own footings and foundatoins ourselves with nudura icf block.. both our footings and foundations are poured to a laser level shot elevation. so everything works out to within 1/4"
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Sort of---in the bagged concrete section of the store you will find masons grout---same sort of product---but cheaper and not so colorful
What do you use grout for in masonry work?
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It is pourable--so it gets poured into the holes of cinder blocks to create a solid block and anchor in any rebar---among other things---
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It is pourable--so it gets poured into the holes of cinder blocks to create a solid block and anchor in any rebar---among other things---
NOOOO, DON'T GIVE THE DIY'ER's THE WRONG IMPRESSION!!!!!!

The "grout" you'll find in the HD concrete section is generally non-shrink/anchoring/"precison" grout. It's actually mostly intended for concrete use, but it can be used "ON" block for a situation such as leveling under a sill plate. You certainly don't want to use it INSIDE as block core fill though, it's WAAAAY too strong for that......

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