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yummy mummy 03-04-2007 08:56 AM

Showing off my basement framing pics......
 
After 5 months I have completed one room of my basement. ( I still have another small one to do)

I would like to thank everyone that has helped me with all my newbie questions.

In particular Atlantic, with his expert advice and patience.
And Kui****g, who has shared all of his experiences with me.

Hopefully, soon, I will be at the drywall stage, and asking my numerous questions....

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redline 03-04-2007 01:19 PM

Will you be putting up drywall on the ceiling?

yummy mummy 03-04-2007 03:04 PM

yes I plan to put up drywall on the ceiling.

markd 03-04-2007 06:19 PM

I am remodeling my basement as well.
If I where you, I would remove that vapor barrier before drywalling.
I live in the northeast, and I definitely disagree witha vapor barrier in the basement. In fact, I dont like poly sheeting anywhere!

markd 03-04-2007 06:25 PM

You are opening yourself up to a world of mold. Water vapor needs to escape through the drywall into the room. It is going to condensate on the poly barrier and the insulation and wood is going to get moldy. I would also use densarmor drywall-it has no paper on it-it made green wall obsolete.
I did my basement with 1 inch pink foam on the walls-the foam will allow vapor through. Then I studded and insulated down to 1 foot above ground with fiberglass UNFACED insulation. Then drywalled with densarmor.

AtlanticWBConst. 03-04-2007 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markd (Post 35638)
I am remodeling my basement as well.
If I where you, I would remove that vapor barrier before drywalling.
I live in the northeast, and I definitely disagree witha vapor barrier in the basement. In fact, I dont like poly sheeting anywhere!

Incorrect. What you are advising is against ALL cold climate building code regulations. It is required by code that a vapor barrier be installed facing the warm side of the living space. It is common knowledge in the building industry regarding cold air/warm air meeting .... and the results.....do your research before posting wrong information...

AtlanticWBConst. 03-04-2007 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markd (Post 35640)
You are opening yourself up to a world of mold. Water vapor needs to escape through the drywall into the room. It is going to condensate on the poly barrier and the insulation and wood is going to get moldy.

Again...incorrect information...

Examples:

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/vaporbarriers
(point made in the above article link:
" One of the most important vapor barriers in the home is the one between the wall insulation and the interior side of exterior walls. Because wall cavities are sealed and have no means of allowing accumulated moisture to escape, an effective moisture barrier is crucial in preventing warm, wet air from entering the walls.")

Also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapor_barrier

http://www.eere.energy.gov/consumer/.../mytopic=11810

And many, many more articles and building code regulations.....

yummy mummy 03-04-2007 10:51 PM

Thanks Atlantic
 
Thanks for the information.

I did doubt a lot of what markd was saying.

Did some research myself on what he had said, and did not think he was correct.

You're always there for me......:thumbsup:

markd 03-05-2007 07:00 AM

i stand by what i said
 
You will get mold!!!
check out www.buildingsciences.com

vapor barriers below grade are wrong-it is why people still have moldy musty basements-dont keep doing what other people have been doing wrong!


why do you think you need a vapor barrier??

redline 03-05-2007 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yummy mummy (Post 35596)
yes I plan to put up drywall on the ceiling.

You may have to provide for more support for the 2 x 2 depending on the length of them.. The drywall may be too heavy for the 2 x 2?
The photos do not show the length or if there is more supports for the ceiling 2 x 2.

harleysilo 03-05-2007 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markd (Post 35692)
You will get mold!!!
check out www.buildingsciences.com

vapor barriers below grade are wrong-it is why people still have moldy musty basements-dont keep doing what other people have been doing wrong!


why do you think you need a vapor barrier??

What you expect me to search through that whole web site for your proof? Post a link...:censored:

yummy mummy 03-05-2007 08:24 AM

redline
 
The 2X2 soffit "ceiling" is approx.3 1/2 to 4 feet wide and was told that I don't need any support between them.

They are placed 24 inches apart.

They are not structural, as you know, I think they should hold up drywall.

Thanks for your advice.

AtlanticWBConst. 03-05-2007 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yummy mummy (Post 35704)
The 2X2 soffit "ceiling" is approx.3 1/2 to 4 feet wide and was told that I don't need any support between them.

They are placed 24 inches apart.

They are not structural, as you know, I think they should hold up drywall.

Thanks for your advice.

Y.M., That is pushing it with the distance. The wider the 'spread', the more the lumber used to frame will sag, and so will the sheetrock.

This is what I suggest:
Right now you have your 2x3's space 24" apart. These, you placed on the 'flat' (widest side facing downward).
You should add more 2x3's in the center of each of those 24" areas. Face them the other way (opposite the 'flat). Framing will sag when placed on the 'flat' side.
Install those the other way.
Then use either 1/4" sheetrock or 3/8" sheetrock for the undersides of the soffit you built. These will have less weight and will be less likely to sag.
Chances are you will not find these sizes at your local Large Home stores, but a drywall or building supply place will have them.

KUIPORNG 03-05-2007 09:00 AM

Great job...

vapour barrier is required by code as I live in the same city of you and I apply the permit...

but the code also require another sort of separator between the concrete and the insulation which I am not sure if you have installed...
if you hadn't, may be Markd is not totally wrong...

yummy mummy 03-05-2007 09:08 AM

atlantic
 
I have used 2X2s for the soffit.

Would I be ok if I put another 2X2 in between the 24 inch spacing?

(If it sags a little, I'm the client, and I won't complain. :laughing: )

The only thing I would really be concerned with is if it falls on someone's head.

Also, if I put more screws than usual, would that compensate?


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