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Old 08-29-2007, 04:57 PM   #1
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Shopping for vinyl siding????


I need to buy vinyl siding for a rental house. I have seen the result of 'cheap' 'thin' siding,,,not pretty. I want something that will last and look decent for a LONG time. How or what do you look for in vinyl siding,,,and how thick should it be?? Some brands to prefer,,,some to avoid??? Do they make good siding that is .050 or thicker,,are these better?? Are the thicker panels WORTH the extra cost??

And the wood lap siding is VERY rotten in places,,wouldnt it be easier and straighter to work with IF it was all ripped off to the 1"bye random boards used for sheathing on this very old house? Is the tyvek wrap, worth its expense?? never done siding before,,,can ONE person hang it straight?? How? or are 2 or more required??

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Old 08-29-2007, 06:05 PM   #2
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Tyvek or some other moisture barrier is absolutely necessary. In no way is vinyl siding a moisture barrier, considering water and wind can go under, over, and around the siding.

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If you are putting on any style of vinyl you need to do a tear off of the old siding. If you don't you will end up with the J channel sticking out to far around the windows and doors and end up with Gaps.

Tyvek or a similar is a must.

As far as brands, even the cheap stuff can look good if installed correctly. Keep your nails loose, make your laps 1"- 1 1/4", Make sure you use a Snap Punch for your top course, put kick out cuts on your J channel (Home Improvement stores sell a tool to do this, I don't use it but it would be good for a beginner), Silicone around windows and doors.

If it is rental, I would suggest using the cheap stuff but get a installer that knows what the hell He is doing.
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Whats a kick out cut?? Is this a DIY project?? Can ONE person properly install siding?? How?? I tried it once myself and got it all screwed up and crooked real fast. had somebody else take it back off and do the whole thing. NOW I am thinking of tryint it again. Is their any tricks for doing this?? I see one guy installing siding all the time!!

And whats that punch thing you said for tops??

I am going to go see this guy that lives there,,,he MAY help me IF I bribe him well!! First have to replace windows he screwed up first!! Thanks--just don--
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Tough question to answer quickly. Read this and then decide if you still want to do it.

http://www.certainteed.com/NR/rdonly.../0/cts205a.pdf

http://www.certainteed.com/NR/rdonly.../0/cts205b.pdf

http://www.certainteed.com/NR/rdonly.../0/cts205c.pdf

The kick out is described on page 36 of the second link. They label it a rain tab.
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If a large amount of the existing siding is "very rotten" as you describe, you will be much better off removing it, and sheathing the wall with 1/2" plywood.Yes, a barrier of some type is required, whether building wrap or good old proven felt (still my personal favorite). You need to pay very very close attention to detailing the barrier at door and window frames in order to make it waterproof. This is your waterproofing layer for the structure. As others have said, vinyl siding is not a watertight product. Look at the installation manuels for any manufacturer, and one of the first things they all state is that the sustrate must be waterproof. If you have reasonable skills as a DIY, you should be able to hand the siding after reading the installation manuels carefully and taking your time. If you are capping the window/door trim/soffits and facia, I would just hire someone to do the whole job, as the proper metalwork has many tricks to the trade for a good job. I don't have much experience with anything but Certainteed (no problems) so that is one for the siding guys with various brand knowledge.
I don't think one of the new very thick premium priced products would be a good investment on a rental property, just stay with a mid line product IMO.

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