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DavidKulzer 10-21-2012 11:07 AM

Shed Questions
 
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Hey everyone, I am building a shed and have a few questions. First off, I have very little experience with building a building and I also have next to nothing for a budget.

I decided to build a 12x16 with a gambrel roof in my backyard for some storage. It wasn't much of a price difference compared to a smaller shed. Now that I have gotten to the roof part I am starting to regret a big shed with a gambrel roof. From what I read online I should do half of my shed width for the height of the roof to get my angles the way they are supposed to be. This puts me at a 6' roof.

My question is, will 2x4's support this roof? They will be 16" oc with osb and shingles. I've had a few people say it would be ok, a house builder and my father-in-law. I wanted to get a few more opinions.

It was getting dark when I took the pictures but can take new ones if I need to. I live in Richmond, Va btw. I don't have my top plates on yet. Thanks in advance.

joecaption 10-21-2012 11:14 AM

If it was mine I would use 2 X 6's so it would have at least some over hang so the water off the roof in not just running down the siding.

DavidKulzer 10-21-2012 11:43 AM

I would like to have a overhang but that just adds more work for me. Like I said, I am completely new to this and everything I have learned so far is from the internet and youtube. I have been doing everything by myself so I've been trying to keep everything as simple as possible.

joecaption 10-21-2012 11:58 AM

:eek: You would be cutting them the exact same angles as what you have now so it's no harder to do.

DavidKulzer 10-21-2012 04:48 PM

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I made the top boards 2 inches longer which gives me about a 2 inch overhang. If I notch the bottom boards a few inches I could get another few inches of overhang. Would that make much of a difference? What's the easiest way to notch them?

joecaption 10-21-2012 05:21 PM

Still makes 0 since to me to do it this way. Use 2 X 's and get full contact and a slight over hang. Win Win.

GBrackins 10-21-2012 05:26 PM

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are you installing ceiling joists?

I hope you don't mind, I rotated your photo ....

kwikfishron 10-21-2012 05:41 PM

Looks a little tall and out of proportion to me, I'd lower the roof at least a foot.

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Originally Posted by GBrackins (Post 1035246)
are you installing ceiling joists?

I'd sure hope so, what's the point of that roof if you're not going to get a little storage out of it.

DavidKulzer 10-21-2012 05:58 PM

I figured out I could cut one side of the notch with my miter box and did the other side with a jig saw. I plan on adding a ceiling next time I get a few hundred to spend. I think it's tall too. From what I read it's supposed to be half the width for the height. 12 feet wide so I made it 6 feet tall. Worst that can happen is me throwing an air mattress and TV up there for when I want to get away from the wife.

DavidKulzer 10-21-2012 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by joecaption
Still makes 0 since to me to do it this way. Use 2 X 's and get full contact and a slight over hang. Win Win.

The reason is money and the fact that I already bought all the lumber. Using 2x6s would give me about 2 inches of overhang, the same thing I have now.

DavidKulzer 10-22-2012 10:26 PM

Now I am being told there are a few things wrong with my roof. I need more supports because the way it is won't work and will collapse and, no one does a roof on 16" centers, and the notch (birdmouth?) killed all the structural integrity of my board. All the gambrel style sheds I have looked at have a roof pretty much like the template piece I made. I have watched videos, looked at pictures, been to Lowes and Home Depot 100 times in the past month, and talked to 2 "builders" who say I am fine. If I add a bunch of 2x4's for supports then it would basically eliminate the storage option which is the main reason for me choosing that style of roof.

My logic that if one person says it won't work I should go back to the drawing board to be safe. What would be my best route to add enough support for what I am trying to build?

Thanks

md2lgyk 10-23-2012 06:14 AM

Why don't you buy a book on building a shed. Or search the internet for free shed plans? Some of your framing is also wrong.

DavidKulzer 10-23-2012 10:49 AM

I've read a few shed books and spent weeks watching videos and reading online. My problem is conflicting information. One site says and shows one thing and another will be different. My uncle has been building houses for 35 years and he is one of the people that says it will be fine but my father in law says the opposite. I would rather be safe than sorry so thought I should get a few more opinions from people that know a lot more than I do.

allthumbsdiy 10-23-2012 08:30 PM

I think Gambrel shed is a great choice for storage. I recently built mine and I am very happy with it.

Few questions/comments (I am *not* a pro so take what I say with a grain of salt):

1. 12x16 is a decent size shed. Have you checked with your township to see if there are any permit requirements?

2. Check with your zoning department to see if there is a maximum height requirement (wall+roof). As you have it now, your shed is a is a very tall structure

3. As Joe said, you definitely want that overhang. Without it, your pad lock to the shed will constantly freeze during colder snowy days. But I'm not sure birdmouthed 2x4 would be strong enough, especially during heavy snowy days. Before I settled with my gambrel shed design, I visited many local shed places and took tons of pictures. The only time I saw 2x4 rafters were smaller sheds with gable roofs. BTW, I think most lumber yards will allow you to exchange un-cut lumber for a small restocking fee. I would reconsider and build your rafters with 2x6 lumber.

4. My design was based on an example from a book called Sunset Sheds and Garages ISBN 0376013761. You might want to check out your county library.

5. I ended up building the shed by myself so I used a 2x6 ridge board to help me install rafters one section at a time.

http://imageshack.us/a/img266/9516/a...ambrelshed.jpg

6. I am not sure based on what was said prior but are you *not* going install ceiling joists as part of the initial build? I think that might be a mistake due to walls that might spread when there is heavy snow load on the roof top. What I did was to install ceiling joists except by the door (for head clearance). At that location, I simply installed some collared ties.

7. I built my door on the side like you did to allow for large opening. What I am finding out is that I am constantly bumping my head into that low header. If I had to do it over, I would install a set of door on the gable end.

Good luck

DavidKulzer 10-24-2012 05:34 PM

Thanks for your reply. In my zone you build up to a max of 200sq ft and max of 20 ft tall without a permit. Mine ends up being 192 ft and about 15 ft tall. So as far as I can tell I'm ok. I will end up with about a 5 inch overhang down and out from the top plate. I would have liked more but I guess that's better than nothing. All the gambrel sheds I saw with 2x4's were also smaller, maybe 12x12 was the biggest. The rest did have 2x6's. That was the reason I made mine on 16" centers. If I could start over I would have gotten 2x6's just to be safe. My budget was a big influence on everything I chose and if my boards weren't all cut I would go exchange them and spend the extra $100. I had a $1000 budget and ended up going over a few hundred. I will be installing ceiling joists and will also be leaving my opening where my door is. My plan was to install a 2x6x12 on every other stud for the time being. When I get a little more money I was going to add the rest and some OSB for an attic floor for storage. My door opening is about 7ft tall and 6 ft wide for double doors. I plan on making some doors out of 2x4s and siding for now and getting real doors when I can. I wish I would have saved up and bought everything to do it all right from the beginning but I really needed the shed now. My house is a fixer upper and I really needed a place to store all my tools and random stuff so a small shed just wouldn't cut it. When I had my duct work redone and moved to my attic I lost all the storage up there. I know there are a few things I should have done different and a few places I kind of cut corners but nothing too serious I hope.


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