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Old 10-22-2011, 11:58 AM   #16
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Initial estimate for full wood replacement basebent and foundation is $37,000 wich I can afford. Poured basement would run upward of $55,000.

Thanks to everyone so far for your input,

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If you do the forms yourself, and get a few guys and gals that can help, you can do the foundation yourself. Also, why not block foundation? It lasts just as long as a poured, and you do not have to jack the house up as high as you would do, for a poured foundation.

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If you do the forms yourself, and get a few guys and gals that can help, you can do the foundation yourself. Also, why not block foundation? It lasts just as long as a poured, and you do not have to jack the house up as high as you would do, for a poured foundation.
I don't believe that the ND building codes are of the same opinion as yours, as I don't believe they allow for block foundations, or at least they didn't at one time not too long ago.
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I think the idea of a wood foundation is totally cool.

If it works and has worked for years why not do it?

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I think the idea of a wood foundation is totally cool. If it works and has worked for years why not do it?
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I live in Saskatchewan, Canada and our home is a bi-level with a Preserved Wood Foundation. This home was build in 1982 for the home builder himself to live in.

The walls are 2x8 preserved wood foundation grade (PWF) -- rated for below ground use. Mine has a 2-3 foot crawl space under the basement floor. The basement floor is exactly the same as the main level floor: floor joists hung in hangers with a beam under the middle of the span for support. The beam sits on footings equal in height as the footing around the foundation. The outside of the walls are also covered in below-grade quality 3/4 inch sheeting and then covered with 6mm poly that runs down and extends over the footing for moisture drainage.

When we moved in, the bank requested an engineer's certificate to make sure the foundation was good. It was perfect. The engineer says the basement hasn't moved at all. Which in our gumbo soil, is actually better than most concrete basements with tons of heaving under the floor and cracks in walls.

I was doing some renovations, and had the front entrance dug down to the basement footings. I pulled back the 6mm poly that wraps the wood foundation, and it was as it was when built.

What I love about this basement is that there is no musty concrete smell most basements have. Its warmer than a concrete basement. You can even lay on the basement floor in the winter and not be cold because of the crawl space under the floor which allows for a buffer zone. Plus, if I ever want to add a tub/shower, or do other plumbing, its easy with the crawl space under the floor.

I've been in some wood foundation homes that are made differently and they are a disaster, so beware. Some have wood walls and a "floating" concrete floor (which doesn't work -- concrete floor heaves, cracks, etc). Some are only 2x6 walls (not enough).

Of course, mine is a bi-level home, so its not as deep into the ground as a bungalow.
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dpach mustiness in basements that are concrete, concrete block, brick is not from the material, it is from the fact that people do not let them breath. With a wood foundation, it is able to breath, regardless if it has the poly, the wood will absorb the odor.
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Well I know the wood basements are still popular on the old farmhouses and such. You might consider that a poured concreted foundation with concrete window wells would be more flood resistant. Given the high water in our state in recent times it might be useful.
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probably you can seek opinions or advices to the people that are skillful in that field of making a basement , but for my opinion I would push through a tougher foundation that is not only made of wood but of cement that can carry out the oldness of the building..
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Here is an update on our decision and work...

I have documented the ENTIRE process of replacing a brick foundation with a treated wood foundation.

Many said they woudn't do it for free, however you may be surprised.

Lefte

http://mcnaughtonbasementrenovation.shutterfly.com/
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sorry just noticed this was a past post ....
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Looks like it turned out pretty good.
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[quote=Lefte;754051]Initial estimate for full wood replacement basebent and foundation is $37,000 wich I can afford. Poured basement would run upward of $55,000.

Thanks to everyone so far for your input,

Wooden foundations have been around for a very long time,just not in all parts of the country,has to do with soil conditions i believe,and the builder has to know and follow the rules of building them to a T to avoid failure,i'll add a link with some info,but i personally have no experience with them,interesting subject though.


After looking at the pic's i'd have to say the contractor sure knew what he was doing,looks great.

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NoDak was a hot bed of wood foundations because the government (Dept. of Agriculture?) contributed to the advertising and promotion of a renewable resource.

The early homes there were built according to the standards for a AWWF basement. They used factory assembled panels. No concrete footing, but rock/gravel for drainage, perforated pvc pipe and rock under the slab. The concrete was used to prevent movement of the base of the wall panels.The resulting homes had a poor performance from a life cycle basis. The problems were the structural problems and bowing of the walls at the midpoints near the top. Once it was turned over to the wood butchers and nail benders, the structural properties went down the tube. There was not enough blocking between the first floor joist bays parallel to the non-bearing walls and there also were poor connections between PT(CCA) walls and the "sills", so the lack of rigidity was not enough form the clays commonly encountered. Most of the early home from the 1970's are long gone. You can now find a abandoned farms with the barns rotted out and gone, but the very old stone foundations are still there protecting and enclosing the new regrowth of trees, so wood is actually a renewable resource.

There were many law suits filed for brain damage of families that used the scraps for heating homes.

It was ironic that wood was promoted as being renewable (obviously) and "green", but NoDak has few trees and no real logging business (the wood is shipped in) and local, natural aggregates (for concrete and block) were not suggested.

I suggest a couple of other quotes for either reinforced block or concrete walls.

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Here is an update on our decision and work...

I have documented the ENTIRE process of replacing a brick foundation with a treated wood foundation.

Many said they woudn't do it for free, however you may be surprised.

Lefte

http://mcnaughtonbasementrenovation.shutterfly.com/
Lefte - thanks for the follow up. Looks good, but like a ton of work. How much is the cost difference between regular treated wood and treated wood rated for below ground use? Was that type of wood hard to get? Whats you final take on the Permanent Wood Foundation, would you recommend it to others?
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Lefte,

big question ....... what was the final cost? how did it compare to the estimate?

inquiring minds want to know ....

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