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Old 07-30-2012, 12:44 AM   #31
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1/4 inch is not to bad in most cases. if you were to hold a level against many surfaces of your home you would be amazed at how out of level things are either from time and settling or from being built out of level.
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Being out of level is no big deal unless its alot.Really if it doesnt look out of level you will be fine,not like people will put a level on it when they come to your house.
You guys are right. I need to stop being such a perfectionist lol

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Old 07-30-2012, 08:19 AM   #32
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Being out of level is no big deal unless its alot.Really if it doesnt look out of level you will be fine,not like people will put a level on it when they come to your house.

I just might show up with a laser and a level
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Old 07-30-2012, 09:22 PM   #33
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Sweet. I got two posts up now:




I let my OCD get the best of me and leveled the roof line. However, even though the fit is tight, there is still a gap in one of the posts to the roof-line. I'm not worried about this since the fit was tight. I'm more worried about water getting in the gap though. What's my best option to keep the water out?



I'm considering wrapping all the 4X4s with 1/4" plywood just to finish it all out. That way I could seal it all up with caulk. It'd be a little work but might be worth it in the end. Opinions?
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Old 07-30-2012, 09:34 PM   #34
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To replace the railings, I plan to do something similar to this:
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That post is under the overhang and will not get any water if the roof does not leak. I would use glue and put a shim between the post and post plate to tighten that bearing connection more. 1/4 plywood will be wavy, maybe consider full 3/4 treated stock to wrap the posts. Something that is not to wet with treatment.. even consider cpvc lumber for the wrap

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I'd like to run this by you all before I commit the saw to the wood. Is this design bad? I don't love it since the rails are going to be 3.5" out from the deck ( second image.







I did that in Google Sketchup hoping to get my idea across better.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:12 PM   #37
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After I thought about that design, the more I realize it's not safe. A kid's leg could go through that. My local codes don't seem to specify anything about that either but I'm going to check again.
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I know the code in my area says you should not to be able to fit a 4" ball between any spindles or under the lower 2x4.
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Why do you want to add post to the outside of what's already there???

Never seen anything quite like that before.
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Why do you want to add post to the outside of what's already there???

Never seen anything quite like that before.
I dont really want the posts that are holding up the roof to do double duty. If it's better to simply toe-screw into those existing posts with the railing, then by all means, I'll do that. Plus, my thinking is that by using seperate posts for the rails, it'll be more solid because I'll be using hex-bolts to mount those rail posts.
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It’s ok for the post to do “double duty” and support the railing.

I’m more concerned about the post to beam connection. Those post base aren’t designed to be a post to beam connector. Also it looks like you just used deck screws to attach the bracket to the post and the beam above it. If those are decking screws there not rated for any type of structural connection like that.

Did you at least run a ˝” lag from the bracket into the beam above?
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It’s ok for the post to do “double duty” and support the railing.

I’m more concerned about the post to beam connection. Those post base aren’t designed to be a post to beam connector. Also it looks like you just used deck screws to attach the bracket to the post and the beam above it. If those are decking screws there not rated for any type of structural connection like that.

Did you at least run a ˝” lag from the bracket into the beam above?
I started to run a jag but that beam is two 2x4s and the lag would just go between them. It wouldn't really bite into anything. Should I still do that? How long of a lag?
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I went ahead and got 3" lag screws for the top where that beam is and 2" carriage bolts for the bottom.

Thanks for replying and getting me to do that
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For starters, in the opinion of the American Wood Council, you should not be using 4x4 posts in that manner, see page 7 here.

Even when 4x4" pastes are considered acceptable, the use of a 4x4" to support a structure above the deck is questionable, at best.

More generally, as regards the attachment of posts supporting deck guardrails, see Code-Compliant Guardrail Posts.

Bottom line: ask the AHJ that they want to see there.
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The original 4x4 posts held up the roof pretty well. They just warped mainly ( in my opinion ) because the wood was never treated. Stain was never applied and I don't think it was even pressure treated.

However, I finally got it done:












What should I do to fill in these slight cosmetic flaws?







I'm pretty happy with how it turned out overall considering this was my first time.

Now, on to replacing the steps!

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