Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Building & Construction

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 01-20-2013, 09:21 AM   #1
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: se
Posts: 1,246
Share |
Default

Remodeling deck surface- How?


People,

heres a photo of my porch:


Im wanting to tear up this yucky 2X6 deck and 2X4 wood railing and redo the entire surface with something really nice like tile. Looking for advice on what to lay down. below this deck is a garage. Garage "roofing" (under deck) consists of an old roll out type roofing membrane.
Thinking of tearing up all the deck with supports, getting right down to the roofing membrane, sweep it all off nicely, then build up whatever necessary to ultimitaly lay down a nice ceramic tile. Finally, wrap a tasteful wrought iron fence in place of this rusticky (a real word??)looking awful 2x4 rail.

Can you tel me what youd recommend on top of the roofing? Plastic sheating, then ext plywood, then "cement board", then the tile?

Thanks!

__________________
Alexander Pope: [a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing]

Last edited by noquacks; 01-20-2013 at 09:28 AM.
noquacks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 09:26 AM   #2
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Hartfield VA
Posts: 25,862
Default

Remodeling deck surface- How?


With that little info how would anyone even know what it is your wanting to do?
Staining, changing the rails, changing decking material, adding seating?

joecaption is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 09:29 AM   #3
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: se
Posts: 1,246
Default

Remodeling deck surface- How?


Oh, there is a slight slope on the deck, so rain should run off well.......
__________________
Alexander Pope: [a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing]
noquacks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 09:30 AM   #4
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: se
Posts: 1,246
Default

Remodeling deck surface- How?


Quote:
Originally Posted by joecaption View Post
With that little info how would anyone even know what it is your wanting to do?
Staining, changing the rails, changing decking material, adding seating?
Sorry , joe, I edited with details after your post- had trouble with the puicture so decided to post t then quickly add details.......

So now, whattya think?
__________________
Alexander Pope: [a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing]

Last edited by noquacks; 01-20-2013 at 09:39 AM.
noquacks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 09:46 AM   #5
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Hartfield VA
Posts: 25,862
Default

Remodeling deck surface- How?


I'll let the real roofing guys comment on what to do with the roof.
I'd forget about trying to use any form of tile and go with a composite PVC coated decking instead with hidden fastners and composite railings.
I'd bet those railing are floppy because the framing for the decking was done wrong in the first place. No way to know without removing the decking.
Using nails instead or through bolting, no blocking where the post are is very common to see.
There's dozens of differnant rail systems, from cable, anidized aluminum, acrilic panels, composit.
How the deck framing gets rebuilt would be determined on what railing you pick.
Might want to try a google search.
joecaption is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to joecaption For This Useful Post:
noquacks (01-20-2013)
Old 01-20-2013, 10:13 AM   #6
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: se
Posts: 1,246
Default

Remodeling deck surface- How?


Hmmmm, whats wrong with real tile? Whats composite PVC coated decking? Guess I can google that too........Plastic floors/surfaces geez- should be a last resort for one trying to accomplish the real look and beauty of natural/classic materials.
__________________
Alexander Pope: [a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing]
noquacks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 10:22 AM   #7
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Hartfield VA
Posts: 25,862
Default

Remodeling deck surface- How?


Take a look at some of the older post under tile, and see all the failing decks done with tile over outside decks.
The problums come in because pressure treated lumber expands and contracts, and flexes to much.
If you hold on a while Mike or Jazz will pipe in with there opions.
joecaption is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to joecaption For This Useful Post:
noquacks (01-20-2013)
Old 01-20-2013, 10:41 AM   #8
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: se
Posts: 1,246
Default

Remodeling deck surface- How?


Quote:
Originally Posted by joecaption View Post
Take a look at some of the older post under tile, and see all the failing decks done with tile over outside decks.
The problums come in because pressure treated lumber expands and contracts, and flexes to much.
If you hold on a while Mike or Jazz will pipe in with there opions.
Sure, Joe, no problem- Im patient with this as it wont be done for a while- gotta "kick it around" first. But, to reply to your point about shifting plywood, would the cement board ABOVE the ply not shift around? Just pondering......

Still, its a good point to really think about tile and its "weaknesses".
__________________
Alexander Pope: [a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing]
noquacks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 10:53 AM   #9
Civil Engineer
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Boston
Posts: 4,142
Default

Remodeling deck surface- How?


Decks are rarely done in tile because of the exaggerated dimensional changes of the framing due to seasonal variations in humidity. Makes it much more difficult to avoid cracking etc.

You may want to consider a dimensionally stable, moisture resistant wood such as ipe, that is what I did my deck with. My rails are cumaru. If you are concerned about destroying tropical hardwoods so you can have a nice deck, you can look into the plastic wood composites like Trex. Personally I did not like the way the composites looked, and I got over my concern about exotic wood destruction, but it is a real concern, and others may feel very differently.
Daniel Holzman is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Daniel Holzman For This Useful Post:
itsreallyconc (01-21-2013), noquacks (01-20-2013)
Old 01-20-2013, 11:01 PM   #10
Child Alert! Pull Up!
 
fltdek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Posts: 138
Default

Remodeling deck surface- How?


Grey Composite, Brown Picture Framed!!
Attached Thumbnails
Remodeling deck surface- How?-img_5227.jpg  
fltdek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 11:17 PM   #11
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Hartfield VA
Posts: 25,862
Default

Remodeling deck surface- How?


IPE also know as Iron wood is one tough wood and when done should never need sealing, bugs do not have a chance trying to eat it.
It's so hard it has to be predrilled if it gets screwed down. Plan on going through a few blades while tring to cut it.
The best look if you can find it is with groves on the sides so you can use hidden fastners.
No way is it ever going to rot out.
http://www.advantagelumber.com/ipedecking.htm

This is just to give you an idea of what it looks like.
The only draw back is it's super expencive.
joecaption is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to joecaption For This Useful Post:
noquacks (01-24-2013)
Old 01-21-2013, 04:47 AM   #12
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: hilton head & atlanta
Posts: 3,046
Default

Remodeling deck surface- How?


after any nec repairs, you might consider overlaying deck w/new coating,,, we used ' encore ' [ no financial interest ],,, worked great & has ability to be tinted any color your bride commands our deck's 30/35yrs old & wasn't blt w/p/t lumber,,, annual cleaning w/elixir of bleach/dawn dish detergent/eye of newt doesn't bother me but applying same deck stain is stupid yr after yr especially KNOWING there's no paint that withstands foot traffic,,, also know nagzilla is the final ' controlling authority ' ( shades of algore strikes again ! ),,, w/encore, i pressure wash at maybe 1,000psi,,, ga claystains are a pita ( dog tracks up the stairs ) but i'm farther ahead after a truck brush scrub w/aforementioned elixir & a good rinse
__________________

if you hear it from a guy in the apron store, be VERY suspicious the mtl/method will work,,, when it time to build something together, they won't answer phones NOR help
itsreallyconc is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to itsreallyconc For This Useful Post:
noquacks (01-24-2013)
Old 01-21-2013, 09:17 AM   #13
Windows & Dogs
 
Taylor Rae's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: NJ
Posts: 23
Default

Remodeling deck surface- How?


Here's a product I came across. I haven't done a job with them yet but did have some interest from homeowners. Not sure you would be able to do a whole deck with it but maybe some areas anyway.

http://www.latitudesdeck.com/accessories/deckstones.htm
Taylor Rae is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Taylor Rae For This Useful Post:
noquacks (01-24-2013)
Old 01-21-2013, 09:26 AM   #14
Newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 3
Default

Remodeling deck surface- How?


I know this may not be what you're looking for, but have you ever seen deck tiles? they are wood but come in pre fab tile portions.
reegsr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2013, 09:49 AM   #15
Residential Designer
 
AndyGump's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Orange County CA.
Posts: 1,263
Send a message via Skype™ to AndyGump
Default

Remodeling deck surface- How?


I have redesigned decks like this in Huntington Beach, Newport Beach, Costa Mesa etc. and I like using the vinyl coverings.
It acts like an other roof with glass railings and other railings.

Andy.

__________________
Residential Drafter/Designer
www.draftinginoc.com
AndyGump is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
22x14 DECK W/ROOF SLIGHT SWAY NEED HELP FROM EXPERTS clfdpops1 Building & Construction 38 06-09-2012 06:21 PM
Building Floating Deck over ground and Concrete slab jagnew Building & Construction 2 05-27-2012 12:10 PM
The Bioswale, french drain, deck, drainage dilemma (long) seabright_sc Building & Construction 2 01-05-2008 03:37 PM
Deck at seasonal camp site... Spike99 Project Showcase 0 12-24-2007 03:09 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts

Copyright © 2003-2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.