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Old 02-27-2014, 05:16 PM   #31
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The CO is the least of his worries. The building department will approve whatever change is made once the PE stamp is on the revision.

If it were me, I'd stay as is and ask for some upgrades like a finished basement or the like.
Or transom windows...
The situation isn't ideal, frankly I can't see how this fix could be cheaper or easier than just boosting the house and re-building the 1st floor framing. Tough decision, but whatever you decide I hope It all turns out OK and you enjoy the heck out of your new home!

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Old 02-27-2014, 05:35 PM   #32
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I don't like the 4"x1/8" slots being cut in the "continuous bottom plate" of the added section. That leaves about 1 1/2" of wood every 4 feet.

I wouldn't accept that.
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I would not want this in my new house. If you let them do it this way, I can almost guarantee you it will bother you mentally the whole time you live there. What about the question I asker before about starting another house on a different lot? If not, I think I would force the builder to do it the way it should have been from the beginning, or ask for a full refund of any monies paid to date plus any expenses you may have incurred during this process and then go find a legit builder.
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Np, I don't know how they will do this job of raising the ceiling, but if it were me, I would want the whole second floor raised up and out of the way. Then tear out ALL the first floor walls and rebuild the first floor with the nine foot high walls, just like it would have been had they done it right the first time. Then set the second floor back on and fasten down. I wouldn't let them either scab on to the existing first floor walls to gain the extra foot, or sister taller studs along side the existing.
I remember the first house I ever built for a customer was a 5000 sq. ft. Georgian style colonial with a full finished walkout basement. It was in a very ritzy development. When the truck with the trusses arrived late one afternoon, he got stuck in the mud. I took a look at the trusses and realized right away they weren't built according to print. They were supposed to have a raised heal to allow for wood trim under the eaves. I told the driver when the tow truck comes, to keep on going and take the trusses back. The sales rep from the truss company wanted to scab some 2 x 10's on top of each truss to jury rig a fix. I told him I would burn the trusses if they showed up on site that way. They built new trusses the right way and delivered them finally.
Moral or the story: you're in the driver's seat, have them rebuild it the right way, not what's cheaper for the builder.
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Thanks Mike Hawkins!! I went back to Builder and suggested I would like them to fix it properly by tearing down 1st floor and rebuilding. I am pasting their reply below.
One question on their reply- How would this make my house stronger?


"To comply with your request, we would not suggest completely removing the walls that are built now. We would be able to remove the top plate and install next to all existing wall studs, a second stud that is the appropriate height. We would then block the existing stud with a 12" piece to fit next to the newly installed 9' stud. You would end up with two studs in each place where you would typically have only one. This would certainly make the house stronger than it ever would have been. It will also eliminate the need for us to completely remove a lot of the framing work that is already in place. This will save a significant amount of time and provide additional structural support.
Would you be agreeable to this plan?"
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Found this on a website.

Approximately 11% of your home is not insulated properly due to wood framing however, wall studs are a fact in home construction. Before you cover up the wall studs, making house insulation diagrams for any future reference is a good idea.
The r-values of wood studs act as a thermal bridge. The r-values of wood can create a cold area in the insulation where the wood stud meets the sheetrock. The cold spots can compromise the insulation and lower the effective average R-values of the whole wall. In addition to the poor r-values of wood lowering the R-values of the wall, a cold spot may lead to condensation problems. Moisture could condense through wall studs, which generally have the lowest insulation r-values, and other framing materials of the home. If moisture does get into the wall cavity, moisture condensation can begin where the cold r-values of wood studs meet the sheetrock.
The r-values of wood wall studs are linear and are measured in terms of inches. However, wood wall studs generally lower the r-values of your insulation.
The r-values of wood are specified as 1.25 per inch.

A 2X6 wall studs r values are measured as,
5.5" X 1.25. The r values = 6.875
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its going to be a long and tricky works

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NewP,
What Justin said above was my first thought when reading your last post. While sintering the studs is better plan than the builders first plan, it's still not right. In reality, it wouldn't take an insurmountable amount of work to take those outside walls out, scrap them or he can use them for another house if he wishes, and then build new walls from scratch the proper way. Sounds like you have him on the run, make him do it right, no compromises, and you'll sleep better at night and maybe he'll learn how to read a print and keep an eye on his crews in the future.
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Thanks again! I totally agree. I will request him nicely to perform the job properly.

The builder providing me half fast patch fix has proved himself to be looking out for short cuts. He should have atleast proposed sistering stud in to start off with. That is what also his own Structural engineer also said to me, he was not recommending him to do the scabbing onto existing stud in the 1st place, but builder insisted.

Anyhow, even in this work there is little truth. for e.g sistering studs would not make it stronger. As he is mentioning just to add a 12 '' piece which would hardly do anything for giving support.

Also I researched and found out by doing the below, I will lose Floor Space, atleast 4 inches on all sides on the 1st floor. Is that a true statement?

"We would be able to remove the top plate and install next to all existing wall studs, a second stud that is the appropriate height. We would then block the existing stud with a 12" piece to fit next to the newly installed 9' stud. You would end up with two studs in each place where you would typically have only one. This would certainly make the house stronger than it ever would have been."
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After they crane up the second floor, they can knock out and completely rebuild the first floor walls. I'm not sure I'd be happy about the second floor being lifted as it could weaken certain connections, but that's up to you. Talk to your municipality if they give you trouble to see if they would even pass it the way they proposed doing it. Threatening to sue would be a last option if they insist on half assing it. You are paying for a house to be built a certain way, they messed that up so they should fix it.
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I called the town Director of Inspections.
He suggested I do not go with this plan of "Ripping" my whole house apart as he knows this sort of fix, causes issues with the house later on.

He suggested to get a house built on another lot. Or ask for heavy monetary compensation if I were to leave things as-is at 8 foot height.
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I have now reached a point where I am deciding whether to even consider raising the ceiling or live with 8 Feet.

Any Votes ?
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I have now reached a point where I am deciding whether to even consider raising the ceiling or live with 8 Feet.

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If it were me, and I truly wanted 9' ceilings, I would insist on 9' ceilings. My current house has 8' and it would feel so much more open and spacious with that extra foot. However, if I were planning on moving again in the future then I might consider dealing with the 8' if i was well compensated for my aggravation. You can also look on the bright side and know that you will pay a bit less to heat and cool the rooms as there is less volume. This is a difficult decision. I would be really upset that I even had to make it. I hope you will be happy in your new house whatever decision you make.
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Votes ?
I am not sure you are voting on the right question.
8 or 9 foot ceilings ?
How about "Do I really want a house built by this guy ?"

His cheapo approach to your specific problem (and ignoring some of the problems they would cause) is probably his way of doing business.

What about other problems you haven't caught, or problems with a new house on a different lot???

I'd be asking for any of my money back and looking for a new builder. There are a lot of good builders out there.

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I called the town Director of Inspections.
He suggested I do not go with this plan of "Ripping" my whole house apart as he knows this sort of fix, causes issues with the house later on.
I don't get why he'd think that, house are lifted and set back down all the time without issue. Assuming yours still isn't plumbed, wired, etc. it's even easier yet.

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