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Old 02-24-2011, 09:59 AM   #31
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Agreed ....we'll wait to see what he does
It's winter right now so I bet it'll be a while.........
I with ya on this one tcleve.

and time; I would bet on nearly a week.

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Old 02-24-2011, 11:09 AM   #32
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I agree on your suggestion of raising the entire building and setting it on a block kneewall. Having said that, I have a few questions to ask.

First, would you ultimately have to take out any existing windows if you did try to lift it. I'm seeing flex in the building that may cause the windows to break in my initial opinion.

Second, wouldn't the deck be irrelevent? I mean, it's attached to the building I'm sure, but I would think it could be detached and shored up...then reattached afterwards? Furthermore, attaching it to a cmu wall would be better anyway in my view.

Also, hypothetically speaking, if the slab wasn't quite level....would you then recreate the slight slope with the new cmu wall? I'm thinking that you should try to recreate the existing condition as much as possible being that the building has settled to the existing condition. I would think most masons would try to build a level wall rather than an equal two or three foot high wall all around.

Lastly, for the OP, if you try to build a raised stud wall on top of the existing, you're going to have to rip half the siding off and some sheathing, and then replace it from the top down to create stability in the structure. The wall will naturally want to hinge when wind forces are applied.

Removing the sheathing from the top plate, that seems like a job for someone serving time in Leavenworth to me. I can only imagine how many nails that would be

Thanks for the help with these questions, I'm interested in hearing more about the means and methods that people have with this

And, being that it's winter in maine, I'm thinking the extra time the OP has until he can do this may allow him to reconsider his thoughts based on a more detailed plan of how to raise the building
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Old 02-24-2011, 11:32 AM   #33
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I agree on your suggestion of raising the entire building and setting it on a block kneewall. Having said that, I have a few questions to ask.

First, would you ultimately have to take out any existing windows if you did try to lift it. I'm seeing flex in the building that may cause the windows to break in my initial opinion. Absolutely...all windows and doors (including overhead door) would be removed

Second, wouldn't the deck be irrelevent? I mean, it's attached to the building I'm sure, but I would think it could be detached and shored up...then reattached afterwards? Agreed. Don't let this interfere with the projectFurthermore, attaching it to a cmu wall would be better anyway in my view.

Also, hypothetically speaking, if the slab wasn't quite level....would you then recreate the slight slope with the new cmu wall? No The "settling" typically comes from the foundation not the structure. In my experience, we always have the new wall built level. When the "out of whack" wood structure sets down on the level foundation, it settles into flat and level. There's always a lot of creaking and popping but it straightens the building to it's original look. I'm thinking that you should try to recreate the existing condition as much as possible being that the building has settled to the existing condition.I don't agree I would think most masons would try to build a level wall rather than an equal two or three foot high wall all around. You are correct. It's easier and more cost effective for them too.

Lastly, for the OP, if you try to build a raised stud wall on top of the existing, you're going to have to rip half the siding off and some sheathing, and then replace it from the top down to create stability in the structure. The wall will naturally want to hinge when wind forces are applied.

Removing the sheathing from the top plate, that seems like a job for someone serving time in Leavenworth to meEXACTLY!!!!. I can only imagine how many nails that would be

Thanks for the help with these questions, I'm interested in hearing more about the means and methods that people have with this

And, being that it's winter in maine, I'm thinking the extra time the OP has until he can do this may allow him to reconsider his thoughts based on a more detailed plan of how to raise the building
Let's see what he says
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Old 02-24-2011, 06:12 PM   #34
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To start off, I am no architect and this type of stuff can get frustrating when the best way to do something seems like its not possible or out of the question when it comes to time and money. I don't want to seem like I'm shooting down any and all other ideas. It's just that I have looked it over and over and to me, the best way to do this was to just raise the roof and extend the walls higher. Yes, I do plan to have the wells thicker, but can't afford to tear apart all the walls and replace all the studs with 10'+ long 2x6s. I was thinking about cutting 2x4s lengthwise and screwing them onto the existing stud faces to get the desired thickness.
The deck is a big reason why I can't lift the whole garage. The deck would have to be completely disassembled between the house and garage since the deck (joists?) are bolted to the house walls and garage walls. And where would the garage go to have the walls done? I cant afford to have a building mover come in and move my garage to another location while I have that done. So, the walls have to stay.
As for pulling the joists out and installing new ones higher up, I really didn't think of that before. What would I have to take into account if I were to do that? My rafters are 2x6 if that matters.
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The deck is a big reason why I can't lift the whole garage. The deck would have to be completely disassembled between the house and garage since the deck (joists?) are bolted to the house walls and garage walls.
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lift the garage....and while it's temporarily shored, build the block wall and add a sill plate.

shore the deck up with temporary piers or cmu blocks (depending on soil conditions and the size of the deck)

If you can think of how to take a roof off and put it back on, I'm sure you can support a deck if you want to. I'd be open to what others have suggested here.....my first thought was new truss work, but these guys have made me consider lifting the building...and I just believe it would be simpler, safer, and most of all, easier

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