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Old 10-17-2006, 02:55 PM   #46
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Ok..I got the written report from the engineer today..this is what it reads: building is balloon framed..there is considerable bulge in soffit along the right side of the building which is due to framing in the attic...attic floor joists run front to back and roof framing is left to right. result is that triangles formed by roof rafters are solely connected by collar ties..collar ties have been installed near the peak to allow for usable space in attic. rafters are 2x6 and their nsupported length is too long to resist sagging.. a result is that as rafter tails elongate, cause the soffit to belly and upper part of wall studs to bend outward..short of reframing entire roof , we suggest a cheaper alternative...a knee wall be installed netween collar tie and edge of the roof...... Ok ...now does this change the scenario?...how much would it cost to reframe entire roof?

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Ok..I got the written report from the engineer today..this is what it reads: building is balloon framed..there is considerable bulge in soffit along the right side of the building which is due to framing in the attic...attic floor joists run front to back and roof framing is left to right. result is that triangles formed by roof rafters are solely connected by collar ties..collar ties have been installed near the peak to allow for usable space in attic. rafters are 2x6 and their nsupported length is too long to resist sagging.. a result is that as rafter tails elongate, cause the soffit to belly and upper part of wall studs to bend outward..short of reframing entire roof , we suggest a cheaper alternative...a knee wall be installed netween collar tie and edge of the roof...... Ok ...now does this change the scenario?...how much would it cost to reframe entire roof?
Um....with the demolition, haul-away...new structural improvements, new framing, new roof components, drip edges, soffit, fascias, rake boards, misc. trim on roof line, new shingled roof, gutters, add on the extra man power to do it quickly.......$15,000 to start.

As suggested, the better option ($$) is to install the knee walls and additional braces ....We have done this exact thing on a house(We also added additional collar ties that were wider and these we, sistered-up on both sides of every other rafter).......MUCH CHEAPER REPAIR and very strong.... City Building inspector signed off on the improvement too... and even wrote "nice work" on the permit.
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Um....with the demolition, haul-away...new structural improvements, new framing, new roof components, drip edges, soffit, fascias, rake boards, misc. trim on roof line, new shingled roof, gutters, add on the extra man power to do it quickly.......$15,000 to start.
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Is it necessary to demolish it . I was planning to do the roof again anyway....cant we just pull the wall back in and reinforce the current rafters...with bigger collar ties..etc
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Is it necessary to demolish it . I was planning to do the roof again anyway....cant we just pull the wall back in and reinforce the current rafters...with bigger collar ties..etc
It 'may' be possible.
But, I am sorry that I can't give you a definite answer without actually seeing & inspecting the home's roof structure.
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Get some prices and some references from qualified and experienced FRAMING contractors. I say FRAMING ,because these are the guys that really know the structural issues and can fix it for minimal cost (if possible to repair). I know one Homeowner that got a quote for structural repairs of $50K from 2 General Contractors. My business partner's brother who is a Master Framing Contractor (he's built about 1000 custom homes....) did the work for less than $10K.

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It 'may' be possible.
But, I am sorry that I can't give you a definite answer without actually seeing & inspecting the home's roof structure.
My advice is:
Get some prices and some references from qualified and experienced FRAMING contractors. I say FRAMING ,because these are the guys that really know the structural issues and can fix it for minimal cost (if possible to repair). I know one Homeowner that got a quote for structural repairs of $50K from 2 General Contractors. My business partner's brother who is a Master Framing Contractor (he's built about 1000 custom homes....) did the work for less than $10K.

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do you know of any good framing contractors in Rhode Island area?
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do you know of any good framing contractors in Rhode Island area?
Sorry, I do not. Check around, does your State have a registered contractor website?

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Sorry, I do not. Check around, does your State have a registered contractor website?

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I found out in RI anyone can become a builder as long as they can pay a registration fee and show proof of insurance...you dont need to have any skills or proof of financial stability... http://ww2.wpri.com/Global/story.asp?S=3325113&nav=F1Ky thats scary..... I couldnt find the website
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I found out in RI anyone can become a builder as long as they can pay a registration fee and show proof of insurance...you dont need to have any skills or proof of financial stability... http://ww2.wpri.com/Global/story.asp?S=3325113&nav=F1Ky thats scary..... I couldnt find the website
Yes, it doesn't surprise me. I had looked into the whole thing a few years ago with the Government offices. We were doing repairs on a develpoment in Providence. The person on the phone said that it was just a matter of time when they will go to an actual Licensing arrangement. I wish I could help you out more. Try checking your online yellow pages and your actual yellow pages and then get references from those that you find....
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Is the seller going to cover the cost of this repair?
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Yes, he is.

I will be closing sometime next week.

I talked to a framing contractor about the roof issues. he said he will charge $900/day ( crew of 3 or 4 people + tools) plus the cost of matrial which he said shouldnt be more than $500.

He said he has lot of experience and has done similar jobs in the past. Do his carges seem reasonable? What you guys think?

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I talked to a framing contractor about the roof issues. he said he will charge $900/day ( crew of 3 or 4 people + tools) plus the cost of matrial which he said shouldnt be more than $500.

He said he has lot of experience and has done similar jobs in the past. Do his carges seem reasonable? What you guys think?

Thanks

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What will he be addressing with the roof?

Did other people recommend him?

How many days did he say the job should take?

Do you have a written agreement/contract that specifies what will be done?

Do not pay for all the work upfront.

Has he any references?

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What will he be addressing with the roof?

Did other people recommend him?

How many days did he say the job should take?

Do you have a written agreement/contract that specifies what will be done?

Do not pay for all the work upfront.

Has he any references?
He is an experienced framing contractor. He hasnt looked at the roof yet. He will visit the location this weekend after i get the possesion of the house sometime this week. I think I should not have posted until he had seen the roof.

Will repost after i get a written assesment/quote from him.
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I believe that you stated that the roof needs to be replaced and the wall that bows out ward needs repair.

Is this contractor going to replace the roof or repair the bowed wall?
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Will repost after i get a written assesment/quote from him.

Closing on a new house around the holidays can be time consuming.
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Ok everyone closed on the house last week. I will be posting in specific forums as well now on. I appreciate your help. it did help a lot.

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