Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Building & Construction

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 06-27-2012, 02:48 PM   #1
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2
Share |
Default

Question about a header


We are in the middle of a kitchen renovation, some parts DIY, some parts hired. We are planning to put in a range hood, exhausted to outside. Because there was a stud in the way, we had a local construction company come to prep the wall. The person who came cut out a section of the stud and said there was no need to add any additional support.

Does this sound reasonable, or should I be investigating getting a header put in? The house is old (1880), balloon framing construction, and the studs are generally spaced about 12" apart.

embeth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2012, 02:52 PM   #2
Remodeling Contractor
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Sandy Hook, CT
Posts: 3,590
Default

Question about a header


if only one stud was removed you will be fine. If that makes you feel uncomfortable adding a small header will not hurt

Bob Mariani is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2012, 02:53 PM   #3
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Hartfield VA
Posts: 26,246
Default

Question about a header


Cutting just one stud should not do any harm. I stilll would have done it or at least installed a double and a single ripped 2 X 6 at the top and bottom as a fire block. It would need to be ripped because your studs are more then 3-1/2 wide,
joecaption is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2012, 04:06 PM   #4
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: B.C. Canada
Posts: 2,040
Default

Question about a header


The honest answer is --- It dpends

What load was on that stud.
Single stroy or 2 story?
rafter right on that stud that may bear on it?

In reality it may not matter at all.
mae-ling is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2012, 04:08 PM   #5
Newbie
 
John @ OHFS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Philadelphia Region
Posts: 15
Default

Question about a header


Mike Holmes would probably have a heart attack on the guy though...
John @ OHFS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2012, 04:29 PM   #6
Framing Contractor
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Caldwell, NJ
Posts: 1,758
Default

Question about a header


Quote:
Originally Posted by embeth
We are in the middle of a kitchen renovation, some parts DIY, some parts hired. We are planning to put in a range hood, exhausted to outside. Because there was a stud in the way, we had a local construction company come to prep the wall. The person who came cut out a section of the stud and said there was no need to add any additional support.

Does this sound reasonable, or should I be investigating getting a header put in? The house is old (1880), balloon framing construction, and the studs are generally spaced about 12" apart.
Cutting out one stud if its a bearing wall is not fine at all.
__________________
Joe Carola
Joe Carola is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Joe Carola For This Useful Post:
John @ OHFS (06-27-2012)
Old 06-28-2012, 07:22 AM   #7
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2
Default

Question about a header


Thanks for all of the replies! It is a two-story house, and I wasn't able to determine if a rafter was loaded on that stud.

Since the wall is open and installing the header seems straightforward, I think I may go ahead and do it.
embeth is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to embeth For This Useful Post:
oh'mike (06-28-2012)
Old 06-28-2012, 07:31 AM   #8
Framing Contractor
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Caldwell, NJ
Posts: 1,758
Default

Question about a header


Quote:
Originally Posted by embeth
Thanks for all of the replies! It is a two-story house, and I wasn't able to determine if a rafter was loaded on that stud.

Since the wall is open and installing the header seems straightforward, I think I may go ahead and do it.
You think? You have no idea if its a load bearing wall. You had a contractor come in and cut the stud out without determining whether its load bearing wall.

You're answer should be that you WILL be putting in a header.

This type of work where I'm from requires permits and inspections. What does your town require?
__________________
Joe Carola
Joe Carola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2012, 09:50 AM   #9
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: B.C. Canada
Posts: 2,040
Default

Question about a header


Yeah, putting in a header can not hurt.
I'd do it if I was not 100% sure it was not load bearing.
mae-ling is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2012, 10:07 AM   #10
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Phoenix AZ
Posts: 452
Default

Question about a header


Balloon framed. 12'' on center. 2 story. 22 1/2'' Header. Sure, go for it.
CopperClad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2012, 10:50 AM   #11
Framing Contractor
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Caldwell, NJ
Posts: 1,758
Default

Question about a header


Quote:
Originally Posted by CopperClad
Balloon framed. 12'' on center. 2 story. 22 1/2'' Header. Sure, go for it.
When have you ever seen a house framed 12 inches on center?
__________________
Joe Carola
Joe Carola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2012, 10:55 AM   #12
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: B.C. Canada
Posts: 2,040
Default

Question about a header


I have renovated one, built in the 70's.
Not very common though.
mae-ling is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2012, 05:15 PM   #13
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Phoenix AZ
Posts: 452
Default

Question about a header


Old days, they balloon framed the walls 12'' OC and the roof sat on that.. The second floor was then framed in between the balloon framed walls locking it in.. Obviously they haven't framed like that for many moons.. And as far as it being a bearing wall. Yes it is. It's on the exterior of the home, that is why the stud was cut to begin with to vent the exhaust without having to travel 20 plus feet through the wall, through the second floor, through the roof. And I've framed many homes with bearing walls, and balloon frame walls 12'' OC with cathedral ceilings.. Whole home 12'' OC .. Never.
CopperClad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2012, 05:31 PM   #14
Framing Contractor
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Caldwell, NJ
Posts: 1,758
Default

Question about a header


Quote:
Originally Posted by CopperClad
Old days, they balloon framed the walls 12'' OC and the roof sat on that.. The second floor was then framed in between the balloon framed walls locking it in.. Obviously they haven't framed like that for many moons.. And as far as it being a bearing wall. Yes it is. It's on the exterior of the home, that is why the stud was cut to begin with to vent the exhaust without having to travel 20 plus feet through the wall, through the second floor, through the roof. And I've framed many homes with bearing walls, and balloon frame walls 12'' OC with cathedral ceilings.. Whole home 12'' OC .. Never.
Must be a regional thing because in almost 30 years of framing and working on old balloon framed homes....I've never once seen them framed 12" centers. I've also never framed any walls 12" centers on new work.
__________________
Joe Carola
Joe Carola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2012, 05:54 PM   #15
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Phoenix AZ
Posts: 452
Default

Question about a header


I started my framing in Philly Pa. I can think of numerous homes, where the first floor deck was framed 12oc and the bearing wall above it for 2 floors framed 12oc. Balloon framed walls with 2x6LVL's 12oc. My latter part of being there was all custom homes 7,000 to 13,000 sq ft.

CopperClad is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Top plate over header? zenman Building & Construction 6 08-05-2009 12:04 PM
Header in a "modern brace" framed house jtpwils Carpentry 14 11-18-2008 08:24 AM
Header question dc4nomore Building & Construction 35 10-12-2008 05:32 PM
Basement Renovation Question KUIPORNG Remodeling 234 08-26-2008 08:19 AM
Garage Header Insight red3908v Building & Construction 4 04-27-2008 08:55 AM




Top of Page | View New Posts

Copyright © 2003-2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.