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Old 10-09-2012, 02:57 PM   #106
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ok some 25 calls later. everyone only does big projects. noone wants to come out and look at some little house. they all do castle in the sky only

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Old 10-09-2012, 03:17 PM   #107
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Could you get a good carpenter to come look?
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:48 PM   #108
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haha......another 25 calls to go now!
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Old 10-09-2012, 04:14 PM   #109
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Were some of those 25 calls to certified architects? If certified archy signs off on project, he's responsible for any failures. Of course if failure results in demise, fat lot of good that does ya. There are also independent building inspectors, folks hire them, or should, when buying a house.

Speaking of independence, call Carpenters Local Union 1110 (202) 588-0644. Tell um you want somebody to come out for an hour or so and take a look. Worst they can do is say they don't do that.

What's that got to do with independence? I here you say, as i step up to academic dais. Carpenter's Hall in Philadelphia is where the First Contenintal Congress met in 1774, the Tories and Loayalists were meeting in what came to be known as Independence Hall, ironic. When i was a way little kid, every July issue of my dad's union magazene had a pic of Carpenter's Hall on cover. At that time I thought thought the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners was the friendliest Union around. You didn't even have to be a Carpenter, just someone who wantd to "join" the union.

So anyway, if you want a carpenter call the local union. (" If you want an auxillary call the ladies auxillary, cause the ladies auxillry is a mighty fine auxillary." Woody Guthrie union song)
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:33 PM   #110
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mr john, i think when this whole thing ends, i will have to keep coming here just to read your posts. they are truly one of a kind. to think, me pissed off getting in the shower washing off all the nasty debris and grime from working upstairs, then coming to the computer to read these posts. i can say i get to smile once a day. now if only i can hire you to come by and fix it up!
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Don't do that, he'd use dynamite and just build a new house! Lol
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Oh Mike’s post (#52) nailed it. I saw that after you posted the pic I asked for but lost interest in this thread quickly when it became the bombastic comedy show.

So I don’t have to re-read most of this epic saga, why do you need a SE here???
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Thanks Ron----This one has to many words --so I lost interest ,too--A sketch of the structure will tell you if those are just abandoned rafters or not---Did you ever open up the insulation and take a picture?
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Not necessarily an SE, but someone with the knowledge to come out and eyeball the situation in person, to make sure, as mike mentioned , that it is built correctly. We don't want fed to kill himself or damage the house. Just about every way that I can think of for fed to check it himself could be dangerous for an inexperienced person to attempt. Is that serious enough for you?
Everything else is just chit chat between friends, waiting for that inspection, keeping fed's spirits up in what has turned out to be a possibly discouraging situation.

Did it just get chilly in here or is it just me?
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Not necessarily an SE, but someone with the knowledge to come out and eyeball the situation in person, to make sure, as mike mentioned , that it is built correctly. We don't want fed to kill himself or damage the house. Just about every way that I can think of for fed to check it himself could be dangerous for an inexperienced person to attempt. Is that serious enough for you?
Everything else is just chit chat between friends, waiting for that inspection, keeping fed's spirits up in what has turned out to be a possibly discouraging situation.

Did it just get chilly in here or is it just me?
You're good..Just shake your head and say Ohhh Mike.

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Thanks Ron----This one has to many words --so I lost interest ,too--A sketch of the structure will tell you if those are just abandoned rafters or not---Did you ever open up the insulation and take a picture?
No pic of that I saw, that is what we have been saying, really depends on how the addition is tied into the existing rafters.

That is why an SE is needed.
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I too thought it was a knee wall, rafters were left just to make a "balanced" looking ceiling. Then I saw studs going all way up to what looked like a triple top plate and learned there was possibly no support below. Screwyness of what I was seeing in all pics made me suspicious of entire construction. didn't want to give construction advise based on pictures.
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definitely lots of chit chat. but its one thing i love about this place-its such a community!

mike and kwik, i remember you guys back in the roofing days so really appreciate you guys dropping in!

unfortunately i dont think i took enough pics pre foam to show how the rafters were tied in. maybe i will dig some foam out, but it cost SO much money i dont wanna touch it
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oh yea so finally got through to a few-they all want $500 easy just to come out and look. sigh
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Seems an awful lot to pay just to cut a hole in a wall doesn't it? But repairing a collapsed roof or wall would be lots more. And I don't think you can buy a coffin for 500. I assume that is fee for engineer? A "consulting carpenter", if you will allow, may charge less, but his recommendation may still be engineer or certified architect.

Heres an old joke, A repair man comes out to fix a washer. He takes a quick look, screws on a nut, hands over bill for $100. Customer is outraged, "$100 for one little nut?" "The nut was just 5 cents, $99.95 was for knowing where to put it."

Last night while tossing and turning in bed over this, trying to put it out of my mind by remembering 6 chicken enchiladas with green chiles I had for dinner, I thought of another area of concern. Well, same area just another concern. The wall may be part of a convoluted "rafter/collar tie" system to prevent walls, especially addition wall, from spreading. Addition ceiling joists are rafter ties fastened to top of wall. To prevent wall from being pulled over, it was fastened to short rafters, which are fastened to longer partners with original rafter collars. ( Wall could even be hanging from short rafters instead of supporting them.)

If, I say if, that is case, verified by on site inspection, you might be able to extend joists to collar ties. The other concerns still remain; is wall bearing load of short rafters; are extended studs of wall bearing load of addition roof; is there adequate support below to support wall supporting any of those loads, or just load of ceiling joists, especially if you cut a hole in it. As i sed earlier, this could be tooth pick bridge type situation, where no one thing is critical, but entire structure, as it stands, is sharing the load. Crack one tooth pick and entire bridge collapses.

"dig some foam out, but it cost SO much" Just dig out tickness to get to wery top where new rafters are fastende to whatever, width of hole enough to get good look at how they attach and to what. From top of rafter to bottom, if rafter to rafter, about a fool away from junction back along each rafter, if to a ridge board a look at opposite side of it where new rafter joins. New rafter may be fastend to side of old rafter, a look at both sides of that. Once that's all looked at you can re-fill hole(s) with large cans of maximally expanding foam built up in layers, 'cause that stuff can actually raise the roof if you try to do it with one big squirt.

Pic in post 87. Just to keep my non-academic theorizing going here behind these poison ivy covered walls. If the hall walls were removed would that and "pink room" be one long room? Does room in 87 also have the short "floating" rafters? Does addition extend along side of room 87?

Speaking of raising roof, somebody was, I have abandoned dynamite idea. Instead use kegs of black powder, deeper boom, lots of black smoke, use extra long sputtering fuse, have loud ticking clock, dramatic minor key music on stereo. Call for pizza delivery so someone is rushing to scene. Just before fuse reaches keg, make new post; "Be sure to return to this thread for the exciting Episode 121, "Rafters of Hell," of our thrilling serial The Doorway to Bankruptcy.





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