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Old 10-08-2012, 01:59 PM   #91
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let teh fun begin! this is roof-the shingle side is the side that we have been discussing. the tar and gravel is the front half of teh house that has flat slope.


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Old 10-08-2012, 02:05 PM   #92
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now this picture is the roof decking of teh room we have been discussing. the foam was sprayed directly to this underneath.

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Old 10-08-2012, 03:52 PM   #93
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Still not seeing what we need. We need to see where and how the addition rafters tie into the old roof. But really this is just acedemic.
You need a structural engineer.
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:32 PM   #94
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damnit!! i took more pics today. let me see.....hold on. can i say that, the rafters basically run up into the foam? does that help? if the foam was taken off you are down to the decking of the roof.
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:37 PM   #95
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I didn't attend the academy, just the school of hard knocks, you never graduate, you just finally get knocked down and can't get up.

Fed, just to keep this academic discussion going, page 6, photo 1 and 2, I think we are seeing the ceiling joists tied into old, steep rafters? i would have liked to see gussets and lag bolts all the way through both 2x's instead of screws, but the house hasn't fallen yet.

In photo 2, if you follow those rafters from the pink wall all the way up to top, that's should be where the new shallow rafters should tie into old steep ones. A pic of that would give us something new to talk about. And that's where I really wanta see a ridge pole, maybe, and gussets and bolts. That's a long shallow roof over addition, if rafters are beefy enough, tied in correctly, those floating rafters may be able to go. A pic of how addition rafters tie into far wall would also give academicians a topic for leaned debate.

I am still concerned, in purely academic sense, with support from 1st floor. Learned colleagues could come up with theoretical pilasters and beam. That's how academies support ivy covered walls, ivory towers, and castles in sky.

Maybe an independent house inspector could take a look and advise on hiring engineer or certified architect. Contact real estate agent, ask about inspector, have him inspect entire house while on site.
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" if the foam was taken off you are down to the decking of the roof." Up to the decking, from underneath, just at apex where rafters join, two or three places. On site inspector will want to see that N E way.
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so unfortunately i cant find any good pics of pre foam from teh pink wall going up to the junction
this is getting worse by the day. its like bad news non stop
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in any event something new. you guys mentioned floors. so today i went and dug up the carpet. turns out there is some vinyl tile underneath? looks like it was glued to the subfloor i believe. anyways i tried taking pic of the joists. from what i see it looks like they run perpendicular to the framing, about 16inch on center?

edit better pic: you can make out the carpet pad, the white tile towards the top, and the subfloor under that?

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now this one i think you guys will go nuts:
this is right outside the door of the room we are discussing; the hallway. its the same set up as the room except instead of the rafters extending down into the room from the other pics, here you see they are chopped off flush at ceiling height.
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"they are chopped off flush at ceiling height." That is good news.....I think. The short rafters in pink room may not be doing anything but supporting ceiling. The "opening wall" may not be supporting anything but those rafters and ceiling joists in knotty pine room. If so then floating rafters could go, ceiling joists could be extended.

Floor joists " run perpendicular to the framing, about 16inch on center? " 16" centers is good news. By " perpendicular to the framing" do you mean at right angle to rafters? Parallel to opening wall? That is not so good, especially if wall is not sitting directly over a beefed up floor joist.

It appears that floor joists are not also ceiling joists for room below, that is good. Except if they were floor/ceiling joists you could check for sag in ceiling, that would be bad for below but would show if wall was supporting a load.

Have you done any gentle wiggling, side to side movement on ends of rafters in opening? Listen and watch for movement up top under foam. Still think it good idea to dig out foam in a few places at very top, get a look at how addition rafters and original steep ones to outer wall fastened together.

Also, which direction do rafters run, North-South or East-West? Wouls help us orient ourselves, earlier you mentioned a rom across hall, but I didn't really know where that was. Us academicians in ivory covered ivy towers, discussing esoteric points have hard time picturing real world.

So far optimistic possible "good news" is running about even with pessimistic possible "bad news."
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Federer you still going to get a Engineer to look at it? Really is the way to go and we can only guess at best, someone onsite should do this.
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the floor pic isnt the best,in post #98 you can make out the 2 little stubs showing from underneath the floor. so by perpendicular i mean they are running perpendicular to the framing of the wall

oh yea no gentle wiggling.

more bad news-window well in basement needs to be sealed. how do i do that!
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Best to start a new thread for the new question, But usually window wells are not sealed.
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Yeah, DO NOT WIGGLE THE RAFTERS!! I shouldn't have said that, sorry. Without an onsite inspection I really can't give you any more advice. Just not enough info. So please get it inspected and let us know what results are.

"window well in basement needs to be sealed." well, I might can tell you how to do that without killing you. Might be best to start a new thread in "Windows and Doors," with pictures Get more people involved, in case I tell you to make working room around well with dynamite.
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hahahha i love you guys. good to have some humor in the middle of headaches

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