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Old 10-05-2012, 01:28 AM   #76
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will try to look at floor tomorrow. thanks guy!

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Old 10-05-2012, 09:33 AM   #77
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Fed, yes pics of pre-foam, especially at very top of underside of roof, where the shallow pitch roof rafters of addition are attached to opposite side original rafters. If they do.

1st pic, this series, does look like wall supports ceiling joists, if that is all it supports, it is not big problem as far as door opening itself.
2nd pic they kinda look like they slope, is addition ceiling flat or does it slope? I and ,I think, mae-ling have suspicion the ceiling joists, or "beams", are also roof rafters. ( shudder)



1st pic; that "triple cap" is sure constructed strange. Looks like a series of headers on jack studs with no real top plate. The king, if thats what it is just goes up to...rafter? Is it under a rafter?
Does that 2x4 sticking up continue on down to floor? Or does it end just behind that old rafter? It looks like it could have been extendended to hold ceiling joist. And you say joists are just sitting on wall unattached?

Pics 2 and 3 are opposite ends of the collar ties? ( The horizontal 2x's between steep old rafters?) I may be getting idea why the rafters were cut off and fastened to wall, somebody was worried about rafter spread in remaining old wall. That could also explain studs running up to new rafters. Though that could have been done by extending collars out to top of wall. Or just wanted to keep balanced looking sloped ceiling. possibility of old cut off rafters not being load bearing increased.

Fed once you get all the down stairs load bearing and other structural things checked out, you probablly can " extend the beams out" and get wider ceiling, more head room, and avoid the head level, head banging tunnel effect at new opening. If rafters have to stay, you may be able to devise way to cut them at wall height level, replace those collars with stronger beams running under rafters, on top of strengthened wall, over addition ceiling tie into to far ends of shed roof rafters or opposite wall.

Do not get frustrated that every answer seems to open up more problems. This is way simplest, most inexpensive, remodel jobs usually go. Take solace in fact that you have given us interesting puzzle to ponder.

Some one strips wall paper to slap on paint, termites chewed dry wall paper, remove drywall, they chewed stud, remove stud, they chewed plate and sill, blown in insulation has settled to lower 2 feet of wall. Might as well replace it while drywall off, in fact do whole wall, strip drywall, this wiring don't look good. There is no stopping place.
Speaking of puzzle, well some one was, sometimes it seems easiest way is take house apart, start all over. Every time we leave our house, mrsnot hopes tornado comes along, makes one quick dip and tears it down while we're gone. You could forget about opening, add exterior staircase to get into that room.
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:55 AM   #78
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I'd like to compliment everyone for the suggestions and advice they have given to try to help Federer out. This is what I love about this site.
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Don't think we're being all altruistic, biker. We, or at least I, get to act all officious and know it all, but don't have to take responsibility if house falls down.

But my Grandmother would tell me, Knowledge and experience are like cotton seed, if you just store it away it'll go bad. If you spread it around, tend to it, it'll grow, produce more seed, and maybe even give you a return for your time and effort.
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I too love this stuff. That is why I did mostly reno and not new house construction. I love the problem solving.
Although I do wonder if we are creating more of a problem then solving it.
Really just need to get a engineer in to look at it.

But I'll keep playing if Federer is up to it!!!!
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" I do wonder if we are creating more of a problem then solving it." I tend to take a pessimistic route, stopping at all the pitfalls along the way, giving procedures that may be over kill. But I figure fore warned is fore armed, sometimes you gotta get a little shoulder into it too. Inexperienced folks don't know what bad things may occur. If they've been warned and they don't occur, they're relieved. Think they got off lightly.
Huge steel beams, Fed, giant wheezing cranes, welders throwing sparks! riveters chattering away! Dynamite! Lots of dynamite.
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please do play on, gents! the game is not over. thanks again for all the input. lets see if i can dig up some more pics for you all, such as pre foam
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We are not all gents, ( as i learned to my chagrin, when I said he 'stead of she) and some of the ones of us that are he's, are gents but boorish louts. And as Mike the mailbox murderer reappeared to say, I myself am a "pathetic clown." It hurt me to my quick, and as my quick is worn down to the quick, it can't stand much pain.
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We are not all gents, ( as i learned to my chagrin, when I said he 'stead of she) and some of the ones of us that are he's, are gents but boorish louts. And as Mike the mailbox murderer reappeared to say, I myself am a "pathetic clown." It hurt me to my quick, and as my quick is worn down to the quick, it can't stand much pain.
hahahha i am not even going to pretend to retort that.

slacked off today. tomorrow more pics shall come. please stay tuned!
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pics pics more pics, I'm in.
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:36 PM   #86
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ok sorry was at work longer than i thought yesturday. here we go some more pics! let the games resume! haha
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this is not the room in question but its on the same side of teh house, in the other wing across the hallway
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here is room pre foam: (the wall color helps to distinguish which room)


so my understanding is this: basically the roof is directly on top of ceiling. you can see the new plywood they put in when we replcaed roof. and you can see how the rafters are like divided into 2 slopes. so......
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now in this pic, the left wall(shown bottom left corner) is where the opening is from teh previous pictures. the idea is to have that opening to connect these 2 rooms.

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again here is the room that the opening is connecting to. the beams are the ones that hang off the top plates from the previous pics. there furring strips are tehre from teh ceiling we tore down

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