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Old 10-04-2012, 10:31 AM   #61
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Good link, GB.
Fed, notice how the trimmers are supported at both ends. Find page for framing your wall opening, too. i think i wasted everybody's time explaining how to do that way up top of thread B4 I walked head on into that rafter end. If I'da only known there was that online book, with pictures even.

Then after on site inspection, you should be able to handle job.

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Old 10-04-2012, 10:44 AM   #62
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You can take those 2bys out because clearly, even if they were supposed to, they are not holding anything up. I too would be concerned about those rafters.

I think I understand why you want an opening but I am not sure how you would header it properly with the roof angle. Cutting rafters holding the hat of your home is usually not a wise idea.

This looks a bit like an under cover of darkness---with no drawings, permits and inspections---room addition to me.
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Could there not also be a C.
Where the new rafters tie into the ridge board directly beside the old rafters?
I know that brings up the whole offset rafters thing
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:06 PM   #64
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The pictures are pages back but, depending on new rafters, its possible the wall is doing nothing but holding old rafters in line, not load bearing at all. In that case the header would do nothing but hold wall straight and give place to fasten top of door frame. And since there is apparently no support from below is another hint wall might not be bearing. If that is case all those rafters could come out, as well as wall. Start from scratch.

Looks like original bearing wall for those rafters was knotty pine wall opposite opening side. Rafters and ceilig joists run perpendicular to wall, pro'lly floor joist do too.

Fed, can you cut small hole in floor somewhere and get look at floor joist size and direction. Every one is clamoring for look at where new joists tie into old. How far from opening wall and opening to walls below and which direction do they run? Size of studs in them? Simple sketch would do.

Realize most all this info and speculation is mostly for our own amusement, since you are there and we is here, all awaiting on site inspection.
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absolutely the rafters on that side may or may not be load bearing, as well as that wall may or may not.
Hire a structural engineer then you will know. In this case I feel we can not give adequate information with some pics and a discussion over the net.
If none structural then all could go, no header needed. Or it could require header, beams in floor posts in walls, support to foundation.


I really want to know how this turns out.
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first, thank you gents so much for taking the time and contributing your input. i truly appreicate it. its such a community here!

now, sorry but work is killing me. finally, new photos for you guys to get better look!
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You need pp. 47, A or B; http://books.google.com/books?id=iwS...joists&f=false

Pull some foam and see, as said already. Then hire a S.E.

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so in this one you can see the top plates, where there is a beam on top, with the weird rafter below going into opening.

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another angle: you see the beam is not attached to the rafter or anything else??
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this one is good: it shows from the side. you can see the row of beams on the top plate, with the rafters slanting down to the studs below
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these tie into the rafters that slant down
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now this one is interesting-if you extend the beams out they will close the gap and meet up to the other beams
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now for your info the 2nd floor where this room is, is the attic itself. so the roof is directly above. the spray foam is sprayed directly underneath the decking of the roof. what we did was tore down all the ceilings so they could spray the foam right against the roof so create the envelope. so everything thats blocked by the foam is essentially plywood decking of teh roof, give or take. i have pics of it before the foam i can post if you guys prefer.
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Those ends we see of the 2x6 sitting on top of the tripple top plate are they the ceiling joists?
Rafters for addition are above those?
Which pic shows how the rafters tie into old roof.
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Those ends we see of the 2x6 sitting on top of the tripple top plate are they the ceiling joists?
Rafters for addition are above those?
Which pic shows how the rafters tie into old roof.
the 2x6 on top are cut off hanging over the edge. but they continue in the other direction into the foam....

the rafters slant down as the pics show. the one pic showing the flat part of ceiling is where the rafters tie into

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