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Old 10-02-2012, 05:05 PM   #16
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Whoa! That is nothing at all like i expected. What is holding up roof?

From the other side in video it sure looked like they were on the top cap of wall.

Did somebody cut them off to put in that wall? Is the knotty pine room an addition?

Was there an opening there B4? 1st pic looks like double studs on each side.

In a normal situation I might would be happy about cutting out two rafters and framing it like it was a hatch opening. But this is not normal. Which means i should feel right at home, but this is worrisome.
thanks so much for coming back. i read your earlier post as well.
yea so there was an addition to the house. the 2nd floor is the attic itself, remember, so the roof ties right into the room. i believe the knotty pine is addition, yes. the opening was not there before-i just did it today to show you guys clearly where opening would be. there is double studs on each side of the opening. that's also kind of why we only want to open it up that much so we dont disturb the rest of teh wall

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thanks for coming back to look.
yea thats the question: the 2 rafters run down to the studs, and thats it! it's not even sitting on the studs, just sistered to the stud with screws.

can you explain what you mean by supported down to bottom plate? oh nevermind i get it. why flush on one side and under header on the other side?
Your header will need to go under the rafters, to do this it will be not in the wall but rather it will be beside the wall. So your studs need to be wide enough to go under the header and into the wall.

They will be flush on the addition side and stick into the room on the cut of rafter side. You will end up with a couple of pillars on each side of the opening.
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Your header will need to go under the rafters, to do this it will be not in the wall but rather it will be beside the wall. So your studs need to be wide enough to go under the header and into the wall.

They will be flush on the addition side and stick into the room on the cut of rafter side. You will end up with a couple of pillars on each side of the opening.
so basically it will be like a tunnel, not just wall thick, is what you are saying
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Can you post a picture of the roof from the outside, standing way back, including that window (for a reference point) in your picture in post #8 and 12?
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Could do a tunnel or add to the other studs and make the whole wall thick.

Also do not cut your rafters off above the collar tie (horizontal 2x4 ties sides of rafters together.)
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Can you post a picture of the roof from the outside, standing way back, including that window (for a reference point) in your picture in post #8 and 12?
hey! thanks for stopping by. yea let me get a pic for you
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Could do a tunnel or add to the other studs and make the whole wall thick.

Also do not cut your rafters off above the collar tie (horizontal 2x4 ties sides of rafters together.)
make the whole wall thick-that would be about what 3ft thick wall?

thers no horizontal 2x4s tying the rafters together? sorry
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kwikfish here you go:
the siding part is the front of house where knotty pine wall is.
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make the whole wall thick-that would be about what 3ft thick wall?

thers no horizontal 2x4s tying the rafters together? sorry

The wall would be about 8-10" thick depending on size of studs needed to go under hearer.

The horizontal 2x4's I am referring to are your flat part of the ceiling.
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I like mae's idea of thickening the whole wall. it will suppost the rafter ends and be... I dunno...classier looking thru opening to be thicker. The column or pilaster look on rafter side would look classy. But pilaster every 16 inches would be too much. How far from floor are the bottoms of rafters in the "rafter room"? If high enuff maybe a horisontal beam to support them. Mite work anyway if you are going to put sloped ceiling on rafters.

Ahhh, worry about aestetics later, I'm still scared house will fall. Hasn't so far.
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Also make sure your studs under the header are supported down to the footings/basement whatever.
I am guessing this wall is located somewhere near the right side of the chimney in the pic?
What is below this wall on the first floor? May need additional support here as well as below it.
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f*ck. let me go check 1st floor
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ok f*ck. the 1st floor right below is living room. no wall beneath
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The wall would be about 8-10" thick depending on size of studs needed to go under hearer.

The horizontal 2x4's I am referring to are your flat part of the ceiling.
looks close to 12" to me but give or take.

ok yea we are not touching teh flat part. just the 2 diagonal running down sistered to the 2 studs
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I got so excited about the problem solving I forgot to ask the standard question.

Should you be getting permits for this?

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