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Old 11-15-2008, 11:52 AM   #31
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Thanks. I would never resort to violence to solve anything. I am not asking these people to "bend over backwards for me." If anything, it seems like they are asking me to do the bending over.
My issue is his attitude. That is where I get irritated. If he were to come back and apologize then I would accept it and move on. But so far I have not see than happening and the time for apologizing is past.

Whether or not you need a permit will be sorted out and is an issue with local code of which I am not familiar.

[sarcasm on] Government asking you to bend over....say it isn't so. They would never do that!!! [sarcasm off]

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Old 11-15-2008, 04:13 PM   #32
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[quote=troach;185256]So you are saying there is no chance that this guy is out of line or they could be wrong? You said you "Guarantee they know".
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Go back and read my earlier posts. I was one of the first to say that he is way out of line treating you the way he did. That certainly isn't arguable. He went way over the edge.

However, you're obviously unwilling to listen to anyone whose knowledge, words, or opinions don't completely agree with you regarding the permit, as you're continuously harping on the same points. You haven't determined (or at least told us) what model code the city has adopted (IRC, CABO, UBC, etc), which should be your first step in this process.

So, what do you wish to gain from this post? Are you looking for information with an open mind or are you just complaining?
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Old 11-16-2008, 02:21 PM   #33
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One point: did you check county codes? At least in Allegheny Co., PA, we have county codes in addition to the city codes. Both the county and city have inspectors, and BOTH have permits that you have to get.
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Old 11-16-2008, 05:52 PM   #34
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Bottom line is:

Troach, you and your contractor went about this 100% all wrong. Any experienced contractor (especially licensed) knows that you need a permit even for a bathroom job like yours. Your contractor made the big mistake (big wrong). You compiled the wrong, by calling the guy a Jerk. That gets you, not only no-where, but puts you at the bottom of the permit pile.

Example: You do something wrong, you get pulled over by a cop...cop ends up being a jerk and also giving you a ticket, when you think he should not. You call him a jerk = You're getting the ticket, and a look over for more citations to boot.

The only way to get this situation cleared up is by co-operating, not starting WWIII.

If you start a war: Have fun fighting city hall, they'll probably drag this process out even longer with ther red tape.
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Old 11-16-2008, 11:57 PM   #35
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In my area of Pa. If you don't alter the structure. Beams, Headers, columns, Etc. We don't need a permit.
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In my area of Pa. If you don't alter the structure. Beams, Headers, columns, Etc. We don't need a permit.
Is that in your code book? Have you talked with your local inspectional offices/State offices about that?

I write this, because many in my own area (home owners, handy-men, unlicensed contractors) have said this, but are very mistaken.

Is that something that you assume?
As shown by the OP, that is what they assumed too...

It is a common "urban myth-type misconception", in most regions.
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It is a common "urban myth-type misconception", in most regions.
Yes it is. The International Codes as well as the National Electric Code all have much more restrictive rules for what requires a permit and what does not.

Structural issues take a back seat to the dangers of improper electrical work when it comes to safety in my opinion. It is nothing short of blatant irresponsibility if any jurisdiction responsible for codes actually only requires a permit/inspection for structural modifications.
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I have found that you can do all kinds of carpentry and make major modifications without a permit in many areas.

When it comes to plumbing and electrical you need a permit for almost everything including changing out a faucet according to the local city inspector.
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IN our county anything over 100.00 needs a permit!(yeah right). Farm use does not. Basically if it isn't major and they can't see it get'r done!

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Is that in your code book? Have you talked with your local inspectional offices/State offices about that?

I write this, because many in my own area (home owners, handy-men, unlicensed contractors) have said this, but are very mistaken.

Is that something that you assume?
As shown by the OP, that is what they assumed too...

It is a common "urban myth-type misconception", in most regions.
I work as a sewage enforcement officer for my township so I know first hand from the Building inspectors I work with. I even double checked today. If there are no structual alterations you don't need a permit. We only adopted building codes in my area about 8 to 10 years ago. There was only Zoning, Elec.and onlot septic system inspections at the time.
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Yes it is. The International Codes as well as the National Electric Code all have much more restrictive rules for what requires a permit and what does not.

Structural issues take a back seat to the dangers of improper electrical work when it comes to safety in my opinion. It is nothing short of blatant irresponsibility if any jurisdiction responsible for codes actually only requires a permit/inspection for structural modifications.
It is up to the Homeowner to call a 3rd party elec. inspector by me. We have capable inspectors to perform the inspections but the township doesn't want the liability of performing these inspections. Your right the elec. inspection is a critical one but it is up to the home owner to call for there own inspection for it. We are still talking Renovation here right. It is a different ball game for new construction.
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I deal with one inspector and he just writes the permit over the phone. I tell him what I am doing and he just says, "sounds good". Then as I am working on the project I email him pictures of the important stuff. He approves it from that. It is a 150 mile round trip for him to come out. The last 2 miles requires a 4 wheel drive some of the time. It's an all day affair to come out and approve it in person.

We can build a 200 sq ft building in Oregon and no permit is required.
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We can build a 200 sq ft building in Oregon and no permit is required.
same thing here in rural Michigan, although within city limits, it's only 100 sq.ft. no permit needed.

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It is up to the Homeowner to call a 3rd party elec. inspector by me. We have capable inspectors to perform the inspections but the township doesn't want the liability of performing these inspections. Your right the elec. inspection is a critical one but it is up to the home owner to call for there own inspection for it. We are still talking Renovation here right. It is a different ball game for new construction.
That is incredible! Any competent attorney could have a party in his wallet suing the city for gross negligence in the form of their policy...Relaxation of the minimum enforcement standards set forth by the code has put a lot of authorities having jurisdiction in the hot seat. If the city doesn't have inspectors that are competent electrical inspectors, they should require an approved third party inspector, and retain the appropriate approval records.
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[quote=thekctermite;186729]That is incredible! Any competent attorney could have a party in his wallet suing the city for gross negligence in the form of their policy...Relaxation of the minimum enforcement standards set forth by the code has put a lot of authorities having jurisdiction in the hot seat. If the city doesn't have inspectors that are competent electrical inspectors, they should require an approved third party inspector, and retain the appropriate approval records.[/quote]

We do have certified elec. Inspectors, But the Twsp chooses to use a 3rd party. for Liability reasons. If the homeowner procedes without getting the Service,Rough and Final elect. inspections then they won't get the C of O. Then they have to open the walls for the inspection. And we do keep records from the 3rd party inspector. But as far as reno goes if the homeowner does the elec. he should get the 3rd party inspection if he's smart. So I don't see how the twsp would be liable in this case.

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