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Old 08-06-2013, 03:07 PM   #16
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Just do what good old Sarah did, when she did not like her next door neighbor.


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While this is a good solution, it would never pass town code in many
areas, ours included.
Whose Sarah?
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Two Knots, if I am figuring this correctly, the Wind load on that panel could be around 135-160 or even over 200 on a good high wind day. That means those puny 4x4 three feet down are going to do nothing to stop that from sailing, if they got a good wind event.
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I am not questioning the figuring of the wind load or anything else,
I was commenting on some snarky comments made to the poster.
I agree the structure is an accident waiting to happen.

I think it best for the poster -- Molly to re-think the project, and perhaps
with some constructive criticism this can be achieved.

From what I can see, the neighbors back of their house overlooks
the side of her property, I think the neighbors house is a corner house,
and they have a high deck, thus, Molly is in a gold fish bowl.

That's why I suggested a patio with a pergola and a side wall.
This would provide absolute privacy from them...
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Mz Molly, I was really just suggesting you have a lot of sail effect on this structure you have built. I can calculate it somewhat for you if you tell me what the width of your panels are. I am just guessing 4x8. Just tell me usual prevailing winds and how the panels sit to them. Tell me how bad the wind gets in storms. I actually did not know you live in a trailer park.

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Fair enough and thank you for a start in a better direction. Yes, they are 4x8, prevailing winds are north west and the panels are on the west side of our house (4 feet away), with the neighbour's house and some large cedar trees about 15 to 20 feet away.

fwiw and totally irrelevant which is why I didn't comment on the OP comments regarding our home ... it's not a trailer park. It's a privately owned home.

As for Two Knots comment "Give some feedback on starting over and re-using the wood.", that would also be welcome.

Height restrictions for fence is 6ft which is why we couldn't simply add to the already standing fence. Free standing "garden" structures have no height restrictions. 3 ft was the limit of the post hole auger. Yes, I realize it's not pretty (neither is our overweight, naked neighbour) .. but we plan on planting some fast growing vines at the base to make it look more part of the yard.

Any suggestions for either making this structure work OR making something else work would be appreciated. I am willing to take this down and start over if we cannot make this current structure work.

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Old 08-06-2013, 04:55 PM   #21
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Two Knots, if I am figuring this correctly, the Wind load on that panel could be around 135-160 or even over 200 on a good high wind day. That means those puny 4x4 three feet down are going to do nothing to stop that from sailing, if they got a good wind event.
I was not willing to do a wind calculation because I was missing the width of the panels and just guessed them to be standard fence panels rotated. And I don't know, since she would not tell us, if wind would be coming at them or at a weird angle that might just race through those slots and twist the thing of the posts.

Ok, I did two Grezgoll. I did mine at 20mph breezy day and then cranked it up to 40mph. Unadjustable, I could not hold 3' of posts in the ground. If I turned a flat surface at an angle to compensate for wind direction not shared, it got a lot better for a flat surface. In some wind directions, the semi-open fence 8' in the air would twist the 4x4s out of the ground with the broken windflow flowing over them.

Worst thing in this. Is we were helping try to resolve a neighbor feud. My fave neighbors are absolutely nude most of the time and I like it that way. Of course I live on North Pond and Lincoln Park Zoo. But Rhino **** really stinks and I have no problems trying to resolve this.

We are a culture that has forgotten how to talk with our neighbors I fear.

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Worst thing in this. Is we were helping try to resolve a neighbor feud. My fave neighbors are absolutely nude most of the time and I like it that way. Of course I live on North Pond and Lincoln Park Zoo. But Rhino **** really stinks and I have no problems trying to resolve this.

We are a culture that has forgotten how to talk with our neighbors I fear.
You are very correct on the last part. Tonight is Get out and meet your neighborhood night, or as it is actually called "National Lights on, Get out to stop crime, National night out". Bet if the OP got outside tonight with the rest of their neighbors, they will find out they are no different than the others that live where they do, but may find out that they are the ones, not the neighbors the OP perceives as the problem, that all the other neighbors on their block looks at them as the weird ones, and wondering why they are going through all of this, for a problem that is not actually there.

I do not like looking out our back window at the neighbor's house across the alley, or out my front window, at the neighbor across the street, but I at least go out and talk to the neighbors on my street every now and then. Also very good neighbors with the local sub-shop across the street from me, due to I have helped their employees out when we had a bad snowstorm a few years back, also because we keep an eye on their building back door, with our security camera, after hours, due to it is in the line of sight.

I personally hate threads like this, because it is not about solving a problem, it is about creating a non-existent problem that is not there. If the neighbors in question are just that bad, then there should be no reason why this OP in question is not going to the local city council to report them, or filing complaints about their indecent exposure in public view.

No need to recreate the Berlin Wall, unless they are trying to do a history lesson for the local kids, and show them what the East Berliners had to endure for many years, during the Cold war.
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Molly, sorry. I posted for Gregzoll before you did. Nice you have backed off. This really is not about you building walls, it is about seeing if you can work it out and admit your neighbors don't look that bad, sometimes, in things you would never wear.

I've walked into neighborhoods and mediated some people said I should never have survived.

People can resolve issues without all the issues.

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There are a few issues here, one being privacy and another the
aesthetics of the privacy screen that Molly is building, as well as the safety
of the construction. I think we can move on from the -getting along
with your neighbors- issue. Bottom line is they want privacy.

We are blessed with wonderful neighbors and all have great kids too,
however, we spend a lot of time on our deck from Spring until Fall and I
appreciate how private it is. When I need a dose of my neighbors, I
invite them for a BBQ or a brunch.

But, I know this is not the way it is for everyone, as I'm sure there may
be some members here that have the neighbors from hell...

If Molly comes back, we then perhaps we can provide some constructive criticism.
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Is my assumption correct MzMolly, is your neighbors deck high
and overlooking your property? Are you open to other ideas to
achieve privacy?
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We are a culture that has forgotten how to talk with our neighbors I fear.
We have not forgotten, we tried ..
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Is my assumption correct MzMolly, is your neighbors deck high
and overlooking your property? Are you open to other ideas to
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Yes, you're correct. Their deck faces the master bedroom side of our house and our front yard.

I am open to any ideas that will provide quick and affordable privacy. My SO is so out of patience he's ready to just sell and move.

ETA: we've already considered various plant options (clumping bamboo, etc.) but it's not a good growing location, no sun all day, baking hot in the evening. We can plant something AFTER there's a screen to provide afternoon shade.

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It's your backyard where you need the privacy, right?

How high is their deck? Is their house a high ranch?

Could you provide a rough sketch
of your house and their house in relationship to yours?

Looking at your original drawing, you need something
about 8 foot high x 8 foot long?

Do you have a patio or deck off the back of your house?
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It's your backyard where you need the privacy, right?

Strangely enough, no. It's our front yard and side. The side is my work area and we spend a lot of time gardening in the front. Anytime we move the dog goes into full attack mode and comes flying off the deck barking it's head off.

How high is their deck? Is their house a high ranch?

Their house is a low foundation mobile like ours, their deck is approximately 4 feet off the ground, but line of sight is at 8 feet.

Could you provide a rough sketch
of your house and their house in relationship to yours?

See attached.

Looking at your original drawing, you need something
about 8 foot high x 8 foot long?

We actually need something that totals 32 feet long and 8 feet high.

Do you have a patio or deck off the back of your house?

We do but it's already private because the fence back there is taller and there's a hedge that inhibits the dog's view.
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