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Old 07-07-2012, 10:29 PM   #1
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Can someone help me understand what, if any, would be the structural differance between these two in terms of their ability to carry a load?

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sorry I could not view your gif, my security software doesn't like the site ....

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This could be it.
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What are we looking at?

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Shmyeah, the view IS from above; I'm remodeling my house, and the second one is what some floor joists look like.

I worried that there would be severely diminished struictrual support given to it because of the bend, but was unable to phrase the situation to even google it.

This is just a snapshot of an whole joist system of 2x8 firs from the 1920's that spans 13' here.
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Can you post the diagram with an accurate scale on it. Or take a photo. The diagram posted suggests an extraordinary amount of bend in the joist, which seems unlikely.
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as you can see, it bends inward almost immediately to join with its friends.
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picture not so good, but you get the idea
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That looks bad---what is holding it up? Doesn't look like it's properly supported.
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balloon framing man. That works they say. I would tend to trust them. This has stood for almost 100 years so...
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balloon framing man. That works they say. I would tend to trust them. This has stood for almost 100 years so...

yep, those original studs probably have 40 penny nails spiking them to the joist.

the new studs that were added are the ones that are not straight and that is no problem, the original ones are straight and holding the ceilings/upstairs floors up.
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As a side note; sense I DO have all the walls open and such, would I be better off kind of 'bracing' those side joints so it looks more like standard framing? Or is it a waste of time and lumber?
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also, fyi, the new joists have 5/16" lag bolts holding them in... as well as a &$*(#U#*($ load of construction adhesive so...
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I don't have a clue what is going on here.. Balloon framed? New joists? Bowed 2x4's? What is it that you are doing? Adding new joist and trying to sandwich them in between 2x4's? Why are you adding new joist? I'm lost, and am having trouble visualizing what your trying to accomplish by your photo.
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if one out of the 2 double added studs were placed under the ceiling joist and installed in a straight fashion then that would have been ideal, but it wasn't. I'm not sure that the lags in the new studs are even holding much because of how the studs flex with the bend in them, that compromises strength and integrity. the original straight studs are probably holding up more than the add on studs.

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