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Old 06-24-2008, 08:02 PM   #16
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I've made people tear out entire foundations, de-sheetrock entire homes, and tear finished ceilings off of covered patios. But, they were all people that I caught in the act of doing the work illegally. Or they were people that failed to get the required inspections on their permit. If I catch someone breaking the rules, it is game on, and life's going to be hard for a while. Play by the rules and I'm as fair as any inspector could ever be. Most inspectors and jurisdictions will behave the same way from my experience.
This my dear DIYer's is one of the many reasons why, you always want to pull permits....Better to have an inspector on your side, than break the laws, and cause an inspector to throw the book at you...

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could you not have an engineer inspect the first floor and then design the second floor with the changes incorporated in the plans, to bring everything to conform. BOB

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Wow, I really enjoy reading the dialog here. You all have brought up some interesting things for me to consider, one particular is the load that will be placed on the addition which would probably effect the issuing of permits.

The addition is about 300sf and it's on a thin slab (not even raised to the house. It was a patio that was later enclosed with sheetrock and a flat top roof. Considering what I want to do, is the suggestion about the engineer doable, and could permits be added that way?

Thanks for the responses.
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WowI really enjoy reading the dialog hereYou all have brought up some interesting things for me to considerone particular is the load that will be placed on the addition which would probably effect the issuing of permits.

The addition is about 300sf and its on a thin slab (not even raised to the houseIt was a patio that was later enclosed with sheetrock and a flat top roofConsidering what I want to do, is the suggestion about the engineer doable, and could permits be added that way
with the first floor addition being of an enclosed porch, I'm betting that the foundation is inadequate to support the proposed second floor addition. If it was my job the first floor would be taken down and done the correct way. two permits one for demo, second for posed work. this way you will be conforming to all codes and will be issued the proper C of Os. I know it is an added expanse but the grief you'll be saving from the local officials will be worth it.
Here at my location when you get caught doing a project with no permit or when you go to sell your house and need a C of O for the extension you installed with no permit, Its pay back time from the town, they drag there feet and you will wait and I mean wait to where you will miss your closing dates before you receive your C of O. Sorry for the added frustration but its better for you in the long run. BOB.
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If you find an architect or engineer you will still have a lot of problems because these guys are good at math and design but they do not have x-ray vision so I doubt anyone would take the job on.As bulitbob said if you want to follow through with this tear it down and start over may be your best bet. Before you do that check the codes and make sure you are allowed.
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Thanks for the input. I figured from the info here, and looking at it more that tearing it down would probably be the end result.

Yes it will be an added expense, but these days what isn't. It will have to be put on the back burner for the moment.
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Well, I'd still be careful. When you submit the permit app. and plans, the plan checker just might notice that there's a room under your addition that should be your back yard. Since you are carrying loads down into the unpermitted addition, he might just want to see the size of framing, depth of footings, etc. for that lower level.

The inspector may not know about the unpermitted work, but plan check might just catch it.
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Well, I'd still be careful. When you submit the permit app. and plans, the plan checker just might notice that there's a room under your addition that should be your back yard. Since you are carrying loads down into the unpermitted addition, he might just want to see the size of framing, depth of footings, etc. for that lower level.

The inspector may not know about the unpermitted work, but plan check might just catch it.
My apologies, it probably sounded like I WAS NOT agreeing, but I actually am. I agree it is better to start over. The entire project will just have to be placed on hold until the money starts growing on trees.
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just to let you know how things like this can end up:

http://forum.freeadvice.com/showthread.php?t=416839
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Thanks for the link, I bookmarked it.

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