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Old 08-14-2012, 11:51 AM   #31
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This statement is furthest from the truth to say ANY buyer will run away and not look back. I would venture to say that a hot water tank installed without a permit would not stop 992 out of 1000 people.
OH it would stop me. lol. j/k. in all honesty, with shark bites applied properly, you dont even need to solder anything anymore and joe shmoe "ME" can easily install a water heater in about 5 min. I stand by sharkbites because so far mine have not failed by simply following proper instructions. been several years at least since i got my hot water heater too.

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Old 08-15-2012, 08:01 AM   #33
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Given my work history it is completely insulting for a drywall sub to indicate that I don't care about worker safety.

This made me feel like i am just a moron drywall sub compared to you the highly thought after superintendant. Correct me if I am wrong but talking down to someone is equally as bad as calling them names?
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I'm quite late to this thread, but personally I think permits for many small things are unnecessary, although I certainly understand why they exist (for piece of mind). Is a permit really necessary for some new recessed lights or adding a receptacle? Heck no if you ask me, but I'm meticulous and insist on doing things right. Perhaps for some clueless person a permit might be worth it to give others piece of mind, but ultimately you can't catch everything, if something's inspected or not. Permits aren't required for merely replacing an existing receptacle, but we all know how easy that is to screw up (or just about anything for that matter). Ultimately, I think there's a fine line/nice middle ground where pulling permits are good/necessary (additions, larger construction projects) as it's good having another person look things over, but for many smaller things, it's completely unnecessary.
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I was just looking at the code enforcement here in Montgomery County Maryland, and apparently "an electrical permit is required for work that involves installing, repairing, or maintaining any electrical device designed for consuming or converting electrical current". This seems pretty darn excessive in my opinion. According to this you'd need a permit just to replace a surface element on an electric stove.
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my best words of advice when it comes to whether or not you need a permit is to call the building official and ask ..... sometimes you'll get a reply of "why would you need to for that?" sometimes you'll get "I'm so glad you called to ask, last week we had a home burn down because a homeowner did an improper installation without a permit and there was no inspection."

Just imagine filling a claim with your insurance agent and them finding out the cause of a fire was from unpermitted work. Or damage caused by structural work without a permit. Wonder how easy it would be to get your claim paid .....

if you have any doubts call your insurance agent and ask about similar situations and whether your claim would be honored .... food for thought
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I was just looking at the code enforcement here in Montgomery County Maryland, and apparently "an electrical permit is required for work that involves installing, repairing, or maintaining any electrical device designed for consuming or converting electrical current". This seems pretty darn excessive in my opinion. According to this you'd need a permit just to replace a surface element on an electric stove.
A perfect example of why I NEVER pull a permit for anything I do to my own house. They're all about the revenue; nothing more. My wife and I built our current house almost entirely with our own hands (obviously had to pull a permit for that) and never failed an inspection. We obviously know what we're doing. It is our tenth house, and we have never once had an issue with a purchaser asking about unpermitted work.
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I was just looking at the code enforcement here in Montgomery County Maryland, and apparently "an electrical permit is required for work that involves installing, repairing, or maintaining any electrical device designed for consuming or converting electrical current".
I'm also having a hard time wrapping my head around their notion that a device can somehow "consume" current. When I studied electricity at the trade school there on North Avenue in Atlanta they told us about this guy named Kirchhoff and how the current going into a device was the same as the current going out. LOL.
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A perfect example of why I NEVER pull a permit for anything I do to my own house. They're all about the revenue; nothing more. My wife and I built our current house almost entirely with our own hands (obviously had to pull a permit for that) and never failed an inspection. We obviously know what we're doing. It is our tenth house, and we have never once had an issue with a purchaser asking about unpermitted work.
You've never completed a seller's disclosure statement form? If yes, you are lucky
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One way to look at the Maryland comment about "consumming current"......if it pulls (consums) current...then it is a load that pulls current. Under that deffinition, you wouild need a permit to change a lightbulb.
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You've never completed a seller's disclosure statement form? If yes, you are lucky
Of course I have, every time I sold a house. None ever asked about permits for work done. And that's in six different states.
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so if they don't ask .....
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I believe most disclosure forms have a general statement about material misrepresentation.

I personally would not risk myself getting legally tangled up by practicing "don't ask, don't tell" when it comes to disclosing DIY projects.

I do however agree that MD permit requirement is just silly.
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I agree thumbs ....

if enough people call the building department inquiring about a permit requirement for changing out an electrical outlet, light bulbs, stove eye maybe they will realize it does not state exactly what they intended it to say and change it.

and for what it is worth .... an omission can haunt you just as much as a commission in the legal arena
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Depending on how "intense" an inspector is, they have the power to make you completely remove an unpermitted modification. Put an unpermitted bumpout on a building? Rip it off. Covert a garage into unpermited living space? Covert it back. Build an unpermitted sunroom? Gotta demolish it. Even if everything was done up to spec and at or exceeding code, they can't see that on the finished work so they can make you take it down.

If you get lucky, they'll let you take it apart to the point the can inspect how it was built, but that's a major headache in and of itself.

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