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Old 07-26-2012, 08:20 PM   #16
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how does it affect the resale value .....

...there is the risk it was built substandard and may need repairs or replacing in the future....
I'm not against the permitting process when I say this,...But I have come across plenty of permitted work that was ALSO substandard (although apparently not for permit/inspection requirements) and absolutely required repair / replacement.

just say'in..

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Old 07-27-2012, 11:45 PM   #17
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I appreciate all of the input. I will be looking into getting my building permit and then my electrical/plumbing permit. Althought this is only work done on a 35000 mobile home I agree it would be beneficial to get a permit and have someone check my work to tell me I'm awesome. lol Thanks all
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and from another post on the forum someone that has to deal with the problem of a previous owner doing work without a permit ..... read the fun they are having!

Purchased home with addition with no permit.
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:28 PM   #19
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This was posted today by a person who ended up with a house addition built under the cover of darkness with no permits. He bought the house as is but is no faced with fixing things. It sounds like the City is at least understanding. His bank not so much.

Purchased home with addition with no permit.

Shows what happens when people play the no permit game. The owner was lucky to get rid of the home.
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sdsester,

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This was posted today by a person who ended up with a house addition built under the cover of darkness with no permits. He bought the house as is but is no faced with fixing things. It sounds like the City is at least understanding. His bank not so much.

Purchased home with addition with no permit.

Shows what happens when people play the no permit game. The owner was lucky to get rid of the home.
I want to say the timing was 'poetic'.....but then again.....nothing 'poetic' about what they are going through.....

Can we say "Poster Child" for permits?
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I want to say the timing was 'poetic'.....but then again.....nothing 'poetic' about what they are going through.....

Can we say "Poster Child" for permits?
I stuck the URL in Evernote so when the permit issue comes up again I will try to remember to post the link.

My heart does go out to the OP but it seems he is approaching this about the only way he can. There might be some legal recourse for the non-permitted work since it was part of the property description but never added to the title (apparently or I don't see how it all could have closed?) even in an as is sale but chances of getting anything worth the battle would be slim. If there was a real estate agent, they should at least get their hands slapped I should think. Again, no money in it and sometimes you just have to move on.

Obviously had it not been an as is sale I suspect the prior owner would still be sitting on the property or giving up a chunk of moola to sell it? Meanwhile he subjected his family and guests to something that was potentially dangerous.
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I'm not against the permitting process when I say this,...But I have come across plenty of permitted work that was ALSO substandard (although apparently not for permit/inspection requirements) and absolutely required repair / replacement.

just say'in..
I agree, I have also .... but when there is no permit the first thought is substandard construction, or why else wouldn't they have gotten the permit (talking about buyers' thoughts).

Read the post down below and see what happens .....

But again I must agree I've seen substandard construction with signatures of the inspectors on the building permit
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I know I am a bit late for this but. Here are some of my stories...

I hired a contractor to put in my sprinkler system.. He didnt pull permits to try and get away with one. I also hired a contractor to Install my vinyl fence. they never pulled permits like i asked. I wasnt worried as much about the sprinkler system because its underground. but the fence i was worried about due to my city that i live in.

In Longwood, Fl which is by Orlando, the code enforcement drives around the neighborhood. If they see work being done, they check to see if a permit is pulled. If not, they put a cease work on it immediately. My sprinklers werent done but they did pull the permit and still finished the next day i think. The fence was already completed even though they red tagged it. Basically the code officer noticed i had a new fence...

That is the city just wanting its money basically. they got it...

As well, some states or cities will not allow you to sell a home unless you have proper permits for work performed if they notice. such as decks on the outside of the home.

The only one i probably was able to get away with was my header beams that i had replaced on the front porch. They look the same as the old ones so its not noticable or looks like an addition or new work was performed.

I think they may have had to pull a permit for the stucco but i cant remember.
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With the exception of the check valve system, public safety is in no way being protected by dilligant enforcement of building codes in the case of fences and lawn sprinklers. Stucco is probably the same situation. Except for glaringly poor jobs of attaching the lath and felt, inspections will not catch details that will lead to failure
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With the exception of the check valve system, public safety is in no way being protected by dilligant enforcement of building codes in the case of fences and lawn sprinklers. Stucco is probably the same situation. Except for glaringly poor jobs of attaching the lath and felt, inspections will not catch details that will lead to failure

Agree and dissagree...

The idea of permiting behind sprinklers and fences is that you have to dig a hole in the ground...what is in the ground other than possible sewer lines and electrical cables.

When you pull a permit for a fence, the utilities departments come out and label where the sewer and water lines are, and the power company labels the cables (that rhymes). so if you are digging and you hit a power line, there is hell to pay or as well a main sewer line. that can wash out a road or get very costly.

stupid for permits, i can say yes, but at the same time, you are protecting the worker digging underground.

Makes sense to me...and im not arguing this again in the event you disagree. this is just the reason they do it, so if you feel the safety of the worker isnt important, please just disagree and let all the other people on here argue about it.
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1-800-DIG-RITE. They'll check utilities with or without a permit, for free.

I really don't think that worker safety had anything to do with these decisions, but the county coffers did.

Are landscapers required to get a permit to plant roses? By your logic, they are equally at risk. Is the SPCA pushing for Rover to get a permit.

Given my work history it is completely insulting for a drywall sub to indicate that I don't care about worker safety. I have been a Superintendent for many years, on many jobs where danger was common without stringent supervision. I have never had a serious injury on any of my jobs which include substantial structural steel welding in a wood framed tinder box, heavy steel erection, excavation near existing gas and buried high voltage pipes, and hot taps onto gas pipelines. So don't lecture me pal. I just so happen to know the difference between safety, QC and a shake-down
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1-800-DIG-RITE. They'll check utilities with or without a permit, for free.

I really don't think that worker safety had anything to do with these decisions, but the county coffers did.

Are landscapers required to get a permit to plant roses? By your logic, they are equally at risk. Is the SPCA pushing for Rover to get a permit.

Given my work history it is completely insulting for a drywall sub to indicate that I don't care about worker safety. I have been a Superintendent for many years, on many jobs where danger was common without stringent supervision. I have never had a serious injury on any of my jobs which include substantial structural steel welding in a wood framed tinder box, heavy steel erection, excavation near existing gas and buried high voltage pipes, and hot taps onto gas pipelines. So don't lecture me pal. I just so happen to know the difference between safety, QC and a shake-down
I find most superintendents dont know the first thing about how to actually build crap. They just sat in a classroom and read books. You obviously DONT SEE THE SAFETY. The matter is do people take the time to call Dig Rite. If they don't then the safety and danger hazard is still there. By filing for the proper permists, the city takes the repsoniblity to ensure that the worker knows were everything is. As a superintendent i would expect you to know the difference in how deep you put a sprinkler system as to how far you plant rose bushes. Are you using big shovels to plant a small rose bush or a little tiny thing that wont break a thing? Are you using a huge machine to dig the tract for the sprinkler system that could damage something. Same with fences. You dig two feet deep at least for a quality job.

YOU ARE A DISSAPPOINTMENT TO ME IN THE WAY YOU THINK ABOUT SAFETY.

You are like most superintendents based on what you just posted.... A complete idiot. Those that can build do build. Those that cant, well they just get jobs as superintendents......Good day to you and don't reply back to this because you will just feel insulted, which you should but it is well deserved in your case.....I know the difference because i use the half of my brain that has common sense and says to do things correctly than to do the superintendent thing and try to cut a small corner to get the job done......
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Besides the fact that any buyer who checks whether you applied for a permit and finds out you didn't will run away and not look back.....
This statement is furthest from the truth to say ANY buyer will run away and not look back. I would venture to say that a hot water tank installed without a permit would not stop 992 out of 1000 people.
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...and im not arguing this again in the event you disagree
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I find most superintendents dont know the first thing about how to actually build crap. They just sat in a classroom and read books. You obviously DONT SEE THE SAFETY. The matter is do people take the time to call Dig Rite. If they don't then the safety and danger hazard is still there. By filing for the proper permists, the city takes the repsoniblity to ensure that the worker knows were everything is. As a superintendent i would expect you to know the difference in how deep you put a sprinkler system as to how far you plant rose bushes. Are you using big shovels to plant a small rose bush or a little tiny thing that wont break a thing? Are you using a huge machine to dig the tract for the sprinkler system that could damage something. Same with fences. You dig two feet deep at least for a quality job.

YOU ARE A DISSAPPOINTMENT TO ME IN THE WAY YOU THINK ABOUT SAFETY.

You are like most superintendents based on what you just posted.... A complete idiot. Those that can build do build. Those that cant, well they just get jobs as superintendents......Good day to you and don't reply back to this because you will just feel insulted, which you should but it is well deserved in your case.....I know the difference because i use the half of my brain that has common sense and says to do things correctly than to do the superintendent thing and try to cut a small corner to get the job done......
Off your meds?

For the record. I worked my way to where I am. I've pushed brooms, dug holes, hammered nails and gone to grad school ( in another area of study). I know my trade inside and out, and I don't think I am a complete idiot. I actually don't think many others believe I am either.

Isn't name calling against the rules here?

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