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Giantjordan 07-25-2012 05:56 PM

permits
 
why do I wanna spend my time on these? If I think I can do a capable job during my renovations why would I want a permit for my plumbing/electrical/structural? Also does not getting permits affect my resale of the residence later on?

12penny 07-25-2012 06:28 PM

:drink: Crap....no popcorn.

Wether or not it impacts resale value is a moot point if it burns down first.

Poulet Steve 07-25-2012 06:41 PM

should the punishmnet justify the crime, then no

~PS~

GBrackins 07-25-2012 06:41 PM

how does it affect the resale value .....

simple, when the buyer checks at the building department and finds that the deck or porch that is on the house is not permitted (meaning it was not inspected or approved by the building department) then there is the risk it was built substandard and may need repairs or replacing in the future. This decreases the value of your home.

Hope that helps .....

robertcdf 07-25-2012 06:53 PM

Love how people want to **** the city out of revenue, probably the same people that ***** about the city not having enough revenue... Hmmm... See a connection yet?

hvac benny 07-25-2012 07:29 PM

Lots of people *think* they are capable of doing certain jobs, but in reality are far from capable.

danpik 07-25-2012 08:21 PM

[quote=12penny;974186]:drink: Crap....no popcorn.

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My daughter is at work at the theater tonight. I will have her bring some. Want butter?

user1007 07-25-2012 08:23 PM

If permits and inspections are required for your renovations, and you get caught making them without either because you are spotted with a stack of building materials or a neighbor rats you out? Fines, penalties, and perhaps being asked to open walls could be much more costly than just abiding by the process.

And as suggested, non-permitted work will come back to haunt you and most certainly might when you are trying to sell or close on the property.

Mort 07-25-2012 09:19 PM

Permits require that you build everything to code. And if you build everything exactly to code, that's just saying you would build it worse, but it would be against the law.

As a construction material distribution specialist (trucker), I can tell you that a LOT of people THINK they can do quality work, but they can't. I just think of a person of average intelligence, and realize that 50% of the entire population are dumber than that. And then I think permits are a good idea.

JonM 07-25-2012 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giantjordan (Post 974165)
why do I wanna spend my time on these? If I think I can do a capable job during my renovations why would I want a permit for my plumbing/electrical/structural? Also does not getting permits affect my resale of the residence later on?

Another reason

Because you are not the only one who is going to live in that house...you could die next year and something you did that wasn't inspected could harm the next resident.

ddawg16 07-25-2012 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBrackins (Post 974202)
how does it affect the resale value .....

simple, when the buyer checks at the building department and finds that the deck or porch that is on the house is not permitted (meaning it was not inspected or approved by the building department) then there is the risk it was built substandard and may need repairs or replacing in the future. This decreases the value of your home.

Hope that helps .....

Pretty much on target....

Look at it this way.....

Your looking at buying a house....sellers advertise a remodeled kitchen.....but no permits were pulled......hmmmmm.....are the vents for the plumbing correct? Did they install nail block in the right places? How you do know there is not a nail hole in one of the vents? Oh, you could wait for the smell.....how do you know the electrical was done right? How do you know the insulation was done right?

What does this matter?

It means the potential buyers can back out of the sale and get their deposit back....or negotiate a drop in price....usually a big drop in price....and thats if your lucky and they don't report it to the building department who could come out and not only fine you...but make you rip walls open to make sure it was done right.

Don't think it matters? Spend some time looking through some of the posts....it won't take you long to realize how many of the 'disasters' were the result of unpermitted work.

Giantjordan 07-26-2012 06:32 AM

Thank you everyone I appreciate the input. I already went to the city of edmonton permits section and printed off some permit requests.

OKDrew63 07-26-2012 08:29 AM

One more example. I finished off an upstairs room as a movie room. Added outlets, lights, a mini-split and a subpanel tied into my main panel. I pulled no permits to do this, although I should have.

I had my house appraised last year to refi and the appraiser asked if I had permits for the work upstairs, which I said 'no'. I had told him I had the room finished off after the house was built. On his final appraisal, it was stated there were no permits pulled, thus he would not include the movie room in the value of the house.

It will affect your home value - unless you want to start lying about things. There are knuckleheads out there that don't know near what they think they know, which doesn't help.

KevinPh 07-26-2012 01:32 PM

Besides the fact that any buyer who checks whether you applied for a permit and finds out you didn't will run away and not look back..... the biggest reason is that many insurance companies will not cover you if something happens later on and you will be left with no money to rebuild.

This happened to a friend of mine who hired a contractor to redo their basement. Five years later a fire started because of inadequate wiring job and all of a sudden the insurance company won't cover it because there was not a permit for the work. The permit guarantees that a minimum standard of work has been used - and insurance companies rely on this.

Here is another example from my website, one that recently happened .....
http://www.home-additions-startup-gu...quirement.html

GBrackins 07-26-2012 01:54 PM

Good point Kevin!

One item I tell clients, whether building a new home, and addition or renovation ..... Check with you insurance agent and be sure to have your own coverage on your project that will cover it in the event of something goes wrong. I know the builder is suppose to have insurance, but if they do not pay their insurance bill then they won't have any insurance, and neither would their client's projects.

I understand people don't want to buy insurance in such cases, but I call it "Sleep sound at night insurance."


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