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Old 03-20-2009, 07:11 AM   #16
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Whenver possible try to get around permits the Permit department in all US cities are a bunch of lazy clowns who do anything to get in your way of building. If they do allow you to build they will put huge expensive, rediculous requirements for you to jump over.

California can solve alot of its budget crisis if it dismantled the city building deparments and allowed people to actually do improvements to their homes instead of putting HUGE roadblocks in the way.
+1 = You are obviously extremely un-informed, and clueless about the entire matter (in other words = you have no idea, what you're talking about).

By the way, the word is spelled "RIDICULOUS", which is what the contents of your post is...tho, I'd rather use a different term (to describe the contents of the post).

DO NOT encourage members on this site to break the law. It is a criminal act. That is what you are encouraging = STUPID & WRONG.

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I apologize for my previous remarks and bitterness towards City Building departments. Although I have much experience with Bureaucratic, unnecessary and expensive permit requirements I'll keep that to myself and never suggest people to do unlawful things on this site.

I will aslo make sure to spellcheck in the future.
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Random thought...
I recently found out that if I send my wife to the building office, she gets permits on the first try without any requested additional documents. She is now the official building office liaison for our project.
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Random thought...
I recently found out that if I send my wife to the building office, she gets permits on the first try without any requested additional documents. She is now the official building office liaison for our project.
I went to meetings for 4 months trying to get all the paperwork for our addition - stream on property - Conservation approval needed. I couldn't make one meeting, wife went. They still wanted something adjusted, she broke into tears due to stress.....approved
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I apologize for my previous remarks and bitterness towards City Building departments. Although I have much experience with Bureaucratic, unnecessary and expensive permit requirements I'll keep that to myself and never suggest people to do unlawful things on this site.

I will aslo make sure to spellcheck in the future.
Don't be too hard on yourself! Its natural to respond this way, out of frustration!
Its been my experience that everybody at city hall is falling all over themselves, trying to cover their butt!
When you understand this, you won't feel so frustrated. Just remember that the person that you are dealing with, may very well agree with you, but their hands are tied, as they must do as they are instructed.
Remember the old saying, you can't beat city hall!
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I'm not surprised about the permit at all. This is probably even more true since you live in Florida. Keep in mind that the entire state of Florida is prone to hurricanes. Thus, most building projects have more stringent codes to follow, more so than other states.

I assume you know what you're doing and plan to build a pergola that can withstand hurricane force wind (with proper braces, brackets, straps, etc), but imagine countless others out there who will build something on a budget (without common sense) - nail a few pieces of wood together and call it a day. Most people don't want 2x4's flying 30+mph into their windows/cars/doors this hurricane season.

Good luck... and sorry you have to deal with HOA too.

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Old 03-21-2009, 04:23 PM   #22
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I have dealt with building inspectors for all of my professional life - well over 45 years now - and I have found one thing all of them have in common. And that is, just like you and me, they are human. I've run across good ones, bad ones, knowledgeable ones, some with hardly a clue, nice people and real turkeys.

It is absolutely surprising that they seem to have good days and bad days. Just like you and me. They respond to attitudes and disdain in fairly predictable ways. As we often do. If treated decently, they usually react to you in much the same manner.

True, theirs is a job that often seems to require more work from us, and tends to cost us more to comply. But that is not their doing. We elected the government they work for. And we would be the first to call them corrupt if they did not conscientiously carry out their duties. Yet, we ourselves often act dishonestly in dealings with them. Geez! Talk about being self-serving and two-faced.

To tell you the truth, I owe a lot of the advancement and quality that evolved into my construction habits and procedures to one inspector from years ago. I was a fresh foreman, and knew little more than a well informed framer (not much, in the light of an entire job and all the disciplines involved). For 8 or 10 months, he rode me pretty hard. Looked at every square inch of every piece of work we did... sometimes twice.

But he didn't just complain and pick our work apart. He informed, and even took the time to instruct. I learned as much from him as I did from many of my mentors. And one day... I'll never forget that morning... he pulled up to the job. I believe I had called for a lintel inspection. I was up on the top of a three story building when he shouted up to me that he was "jammed" that day.

"Is it right"? he asked.

I replied "No, I've found three places that need some closer attention."

"Well, make it right, and go ahead and pour... I gotta run."

And that was probably the most shocking thing anyone on my crews had ever heard. They even asked me if he really said that. Sure, he still did some tight inspections from time to time, but for the most part things smoothed out considerably for me from that day on.

And I have not forgotten that lesson. To this very day, it doesn't take any new inspectors long to learn that my intentions are generally to out perform their expectations. My last job here at my house, admittedly a small one, was completely covered by the department head by his signature on a drawing I took in for a permit. No permit, no inspection. Just the comment "Make it purty."

I have learned to live by one saying "If you give enough other people what they want, you can have pretty much anything you set out to achieve yourself." Make the inspector's job easy. Confirm that your word is a bond they can trust. Show him/her the same respect you want to enjoy, and it just might surprise you what interesting people you can meet in that capacity.

EDIT: And, YES, I live and build in Florida... right on the Gulf of Mexico on one side and Tampa Bay on the other. We do, indeed, have some of the toughest codes in the country. But it is what it is, and you simply work with it without making a big deal out of the existing facts.
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OK, now I'm a guy who has actually managed a building permit office in FL so I'll tell you what is going on. In a word hurricanes. The engineering requirement is for the way it's put together and ability to withstand winds, in most cases now up to a 125 mph minimum. They simply do not want all those nice 2x8's or 2x10's to end up flying through the air and come through the doors, windows, roofs and walls of all the nice people in your neighborhood, and that will happen. That's also why, after Andrew, the folks in Miani-Dade County developed their own protocols (make that an air cannon) for 2x4's being shot into various materials assembled in various methods at 150 mph. They lived it, so they know what they're doing and now their certification means big bucks in the building materials trade.

Soils is the same reason. When you stick that rascal into the ground what do you need to have for anchors/footers to keep that bad boy in the ground. See the previous paragarph.

Now having said all that you can get all this done for less than $500 if you ask the right person. And that's probably the guy behind the counter that you're arguing with.

Everyplace has local conditions and local needs. In Florida it's hurricanes and moisture. Up north it's snow and ice load and cold.

My two cents. Been there done that.
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here in n.j. you need a permit for anything attached to the house

soil analysis and engineer sounds like over kill tho

Hey Tom, I'm in Monmouth County and I had a question. We bought our 1950 ranch house 3 yrs ago. The previous owner had vinyl siding done a while ago and vinyl soffits where the roof overhangs. I hate teh vinyl look and I' mgoing to build a small front porch in place of tiny concrete stoop and shrub area and one of the things I'd like to do is take the vinyl soffit covers off, leaving the wood exposed and then paint it. My uncle's old farmhouse had a front porch and just roofing above and painted wood underneath (and a light fixture). I far prefer that look and I don't mind the extra maintenance. Other than removing the soffits and painting and reattaching gutters, do i need to add any special flashing or reattach the gutters differently? If you get a chance drop me a line at my email because I'm not used to checking the DIY chatroom pages yet (I just joined) Thank you so much!

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In most metropolitan areas run by Democrats, you need a permit to change your mind. Some of it is well founded for safety, but most is simply a ploy to get money. Now that you have told them, they will be watching. As suggested, scale it back to something simpler(no covering) and try again.

Boy can I relate to that living here in Maine.

Sometimes we open up a can of worms with these inspector's even if you know full well (based on common sense!!!!!!!!!!!) that what your doing is not detramental to a structure. But....you have to abide by law.

And in this case, when you attach anything to the house you have to take the proper steps. And that sometimes means you end up with someone/inspector who is less than informed (newbie) and or is not experienced enough to make a common sense decision. Sounds like a lot to ask, but based on previous posts, then again maybe not.

Anyway that's all I'll say, but trust me, there are people in this postion that need a minimum of 5 years OJT in the construction field before holding a clipboard.

Sorry to say, but every tree has at least one bad fruit, and sometimes in life we end up with THAT ONE in our basket. However, like one of our pro's stated earlier, you have to communicate with inspectors in the proper way. Be crass and you'll get like minded treatment. Be cooperative and informed, and most times they are reasonable to work with. But always abide by law!!

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They still wanted something adjusted, she broke into tears due to stress.....approved
DANG!!! This may be the most helpful thing I've ever read here!!!! THAT might just be the answer to my problem with this building inspector! The wife has never met him..... but the next time, I'll be sure to make sure she can be here too..... heh heh heh .... 10 minutes with her and HE'LL be in tears, and will likely pass everything I've done immediately! LOL

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I understand why you wouldn't need a permit if the thing's not attached to the house or cemented into the ground. That probably classifies it as a non-permanent structure.

Unfortunately, that's not the case where I live. I had to get a permit for a prefabricated Amish garden shed! And it just sits on the ground, no water, electric, sewer, nothing. When the inspector came around he got out of his car, peered across the yard at the thing, and said "looks good to me." Then he got back in his car and left. A couple of days later I got a Certificate of Occupancy. I can't yet legally occupy my log house that's nearly finished, but I can live in the shed.
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That sounds about right.....

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Whenver possible try to get around permits the Permit department in all US cities are a bunch of lazy clowns who do anything to get in your way of building. If they do allow you to build they will put huge expensive, rediculous requirements for you to jump over.
California can solve alot of its budget crisis if it dismantled the city building deparments and allowed people to actually do improvements to their homes instead of putting HUGE roadblocks in the way.
Maybe this explains the statement under your name..." DIYHELL".

Although dismantling the building code is California would provide lots of humorous tv for the rest of us as we watched:

The mudslide derby as crappily constructed houses along the coast
slid into the ocean on a weekly basis.

The reduction in house density as 30% more homes burnt to the
ground each year when there were no common sense requirements
for brush free zones around the structure or fire retardent roofs
and exterior materials.

The new tv show "Hauling With the Demo Guys" as we follow the
demo crews cleaning up the extra thousands of structures that would
collapse without siesmic reinforcement in every minor quake tremble.

Of course this idea would provide thousands of acres more of clear
land for pot cultivation. Would those be green jobs?

I deal with building regs every day, and do my fair share of complaining
about many of them, until one of them saves you or a family member's
life:GFCI's are no longer ridiculous when they trip before you even feel the shock instead of being electrocuted; the aggravation of fireblocking in walls and firestop caulking at plate penetrations takes on a different perspective when it affords you the extra 50 seconds needed to get out of your burning house alive, buildings that don't collapse and squash occupants because they have no siesmic rienforcement,your neighbors entire roof that destroys your home because it had no metal ties securing it in a high wind coastal zone... and the list goes on.

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florida's hurricane concerns permeate thru all building these days, particularly if you wish to attatch to your house

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