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Old 08-03-2008, 01:27 PM   #31
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Old 08-03-2008, 03:08 PM   #32
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Probably should have waited to have the siding up? what siding? i plan on unscrewing the guardrail when i side to slit the steel through at the wall, then rescrew the rails. i need to have this finished early this week (just the porch and rails) so an insurance guy can come see it's done and my insurance can continue. this bottom newel post thing is a real problem for me. i want it to look good but do it's job as well.
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Old 08-03-2008, 03:11 PM   #33
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and do i need balusters from the last post shown to the newel at the last tread? my grandkids like that as "their" step! lol

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Old 08-03-2008, 03:23 PM   #34
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also, i did not do the engineering on the roof/rafters. that's how he said to do it and that's what got done. i should have thought ahead and asked about this. but done is done. now how do i FIX it? heh... i figured flashing on the gables then just side down it and 'lap in' to the underside... there'll be a shadow though... hmm

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Old 08-03-2008, 03:34 PM   #35
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and are you SURE i can't just end the rail? it'd sure make it a lot easier. =o) it'd extend over the last tread and then i could add a strong "newel" to the edge of the last step and secure it. it would hold the 200 lbs no problem.
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Old 08-03-2008, 05:51 PM   #36
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Yes, to meet code you need a compliant guard (ballusters in this case) top to bottom of the stairs. If you set a newel anywhere on the bottom tread, I doubt there's an inspector out there that would require additional ballusters all the way to the nose of the bottom tread. Technically though, the side of the treads cannot be open or traversable.
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Old 08-03-2008, 05:53 PM   #37
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Looking at the picture showing the newel post halfway into the 2nd tread, I would require you to either install the newel lower on the first tread or install ballusters on the open side of the treads. It is too far up. But, your inspector can make that decision...The risk of a fall at that height is pretty slim!
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Old 08-03-2008, 06:16 PM   #38
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ok, i put 2 5' 3x3 treated posts into 2 ft. deep and 10" dia. holes a few inches in FRONT of the bottom step. this gives me a 3 foot (or does it have to be higher from ground?) newel post. i will cement them in tomorrow, surround in jarrah or ipey and attach handrails. when i finish the concrete, i'll trim the bottom of the newel to the cement with moulding i will make from the ipey. then cap them.....should look sharp and last 100 yrs.
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Old 08-03-2008, 08:04 PM   #39
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Sounds like it will be pretty stout! Just remember, the top of your handrail should be between 34 and 38" above the stairs' noses. Lay a straight edge down the noses of the stairs and hook a tape measure to it to measure the handrail's height above the connective plane between the noses. If you are confused, the link I posted on this thread the other day shows how the height is measured.
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Old 08-03-2008, 09:21 PM   #40
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i thought it was 34 and 42"? owell, i'm at 36 so i should be good. tomorrow i finish up i hope.

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Nope, the handrail is 34-38", and the horizontal guardrail must be 36". 42" is for commercial buildings' guardrails.
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Old 08-04-2008, 03:42 PM   #42
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would you guys pass this install? my grandkids really like the bottom stair "tunnel" just their size. the newels are in cement 2 ft. wrapped in jarrah and ipey around a 3x3 treated pole. strong as all heck now! will be even MORE so when i run the rest of the cement edging and surround them! trying to figure out a nice way to cap off the newels though. any suggestions? there will also be 2" or 3" 'bottoms' under the half round handrails and top guardrails. this will strengthen it even further, and give it a unique look too i think. tnkx all!

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oops... stair facings going on today, THEN is it ok? heh

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Aside from the point I made about the ballusters in post #37, the newel placement should work. That assumes that your handrail is at the right height. The newels seem pretty far forward, but if the handrail measures right over the stairs, you'll be fine.
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they are all at 36" soi think i'm good =o) still trying to figure out a nice way to cap off the newels though. any suggestions?

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