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Old 07-15-2010, 04:51 AM   #1
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We recently purchased a new house. The basement is half finished. Here is the question. Where are the support beams? In most houses there are metal polls hanging down and in this one there are none. We are wanting to redo the basement, but have not clue where the supports are.
The pictures included show the unfinished side, the finished side and the room at the end. The room at the end is small and the picture is toward the wall that is on the unfinished side. They took it standing in the doorway at the end of the room. The finished side, has stairs on the left had side and a door after the stairs that leads to the unfinished side. The door in the picture to the left is for under stair storage. The unfinished side is facing toward the end with the small room and the stairs are on the right and the door leads to the other side.
We want to knock out the wall that has the little room and tile it, add a fireplace. Any help would be great. This is my first post and first house, so I finally get to start DIY'ing. Thank you for any help.

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Old 07-15-2010, 06:11 AM   #2
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That wall just may be your support.

You need to have a structural engineered take a look before you knock out anything.

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Yep, the wall looks like 2x6's, I think that is the support.
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Thank you for the information. Do you think that I could put a 200 gallon fish tank in the room above that wall or would it have to be supported? Also would the support wall just be the one that runs long ways? i.e could i knock the short wall to make the room bigger?
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A 200 gallon fish tank will set on those 2x6's just fine! Po)

So would a grand piano UNDER the fish tank! LOL

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I needed that. Was wanting to put a fish by the wall and a piano in front of it. thanks again to everyone who answered. I went back to the house and yes they are 2x6's. I am sure I will be asking more questions and a lot of DIYs in this house. This is a great site so far.
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It sure is, I spend so much time here they should charge me rent! Po)

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Only one main floor above the basement, right?

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There is master bedroom above the kitchen. The living room is open and has vaulted ceilings. So the bedrooms and living are one floor and above the kitchen is a bedroom with a full bath.
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Have 10 people crowd together where you want the tank and measure sagging in the basement. Post back. You're looking for differences on the order of 1/4" or so.
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I put a 125g in on top of a 2x4 1/2 wall, with a beam in the basement
Fresh water or salt ?
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The basement 2x6 wall appears to be 24" on center stud spacing. If two floors above, it should be 16" or 12" o.c., depending on the amount of floor area and/or roof load it is carrying. This is my concern. Is this wall something the previous owner added in place of posts? I notice under the stairs is not drywalled-- as it should be per minimum fire code.

Could you post a picture of the top of the unfinished side at the short wall?

And possibly one of the studs in the basement wall under the two story area?

1. Where exactly is the tank going in relation to the basement bearing wall?

2. Is the, parallel with the joists, short wall supporting the end opening of the stairs?

3. What size are the floor joists-- 2x10?

4. What are they spanning from wall/exterior concrete wall?

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Yep, the wall looks like 2x6's, I think that is the support.
Each 8' 2x6 of avg. strength can hold up to one ton without buckling.

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The OPS stated that he wanted to put a 200 gallon fish tank in the room above the wall. That is at least 1600 lbs. As noted by a previous poster, the OPS DID NOT STATE that the tank would be placed directly ABOVE THE WALL, he merely stated that the tank would be placed in the room above the wall. If the room is 20 feet square, the tank could be 10 feet from the wall, in which case it would be supported by joists, not the wall.

While it may be true that the 2x6 wall could support a 1600 lb tank centered directly above the wall and parallel to the wall, it is incorrect and dangerous to suggest that in this particular application the tank can safely be supported by the joists. As previously noted by GBR, the only way to determine if the load can be supported safely is to compute the bending moment on the joists based on the specific load and location, and the size and span of the joists.
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I put a 125g in on top of a 2x4 1/2 wall, with a beam in the basement
Fresh water or salt ?

It will be a Saltwater reef tank. Currently I have a 65g. I am planning to up it to 125 or higher. 200g would be my max. Do you have reef or fresh?

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