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JoeZ430 11-27-2007 10:56 AM

No House Wrap On New House
 
My wife and I are building a new house in Ohio, and the builder stated they only use house wrap on the corners and boxes. What exactly do they mean by boxes? Should I put home wrap on myself? When I called them and talked to them about it they stated house wrap makes the house too tight. Our siding will be vinyl siding. Any information about house wrap would be appreciated.

Thank You,

Joe

handy man88 11-27-2007 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeZ430 (Post 76621)
My wife and I are building a new house in Ohio, and the builder stated they only use house wrap on the corners and boxes. What exactly do they mean by boxes? Should I put home wrap on myself? When I called them and talked to them about it they stated house wrap makes the house too tight. Our siding will be vinyl siding. Any information about house wrap would be appreciated.

Thank You,

Joe

I think what the builder meant by "boxes" is the window openings.

Also, I would highly recommend you get house wrap for your house. Don't buy into the "house too tight" BS. Housewrap allows the house to breathe, but prevents moisture and wind from penetrating into the sheathing from the outside. Vinyl siding isn't enough, especially in Ohio.

If you're going with a private builder, then you can probably have it done because the house is yours. But, if you're going with a builder who's building in a community, the house isn't yours until you settle, so the builder won't let you get it installed b/c he would be liable if something happens.

If nothing else works, talk to the siding people, and pay them off on the side to install it before the house gets sided. Just make sure the builder does not find out. When I had my new house built, the builder quoted me $2500 to get the house wrapped up. I paid the siding guys $750 on the down low and got it done. The only drawback to this is that the windows were installed already.

JoeZ430 11-27-2007 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by handy man88 (Post 76649)
I think what the builder meant by "boxes" is the window openings.

Also, I would highly recommend you get house wrap for your house. Don't buy into the "house too tight" BS. Housewrap allows the house to breathe, but prevents moisture and wind from penetrating into the sheathing from the outside. Vinyl siding isn't enough, especially in Ohio.

If you're going with a private builder, then you can probably have it done because the house is yours. But, if you're going with a builder who's building in a community, the house isn't yours until you settle, so the builder won't let you get it installed b/c he would be liable if something happens.

If nothing else works, talk to the siding people, and pay them off on the side to install it before the house gets sided. Just make sure the builder does not find out. When I had my new house built, the builder quoted me $2500 to get the house wrapped up. I paid the siding guys $750 on the down low and got it done. The only drawback to this is that the windows were installed already.

Thank for the fast reply! We are building the house in a community, and we were quoted at 660 to do the wrapping. The house is only 1212 SQF so it shouldn't be to bad to do this. I called them and asked them if we could do it, but haven't heard anything back from them. What if this gets left undone? What are the long term effects of not wrapping the sheathing?

Mike Swearingen 11-27-2007 01:45 PM

As handy man said, use house wrap.
To me, there is no excuse for not wrapping a house these days, especially one with vinyl siding.
Mike

handy man88 11-27-2007 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeZ430 (Post 76654)
Thank for the fast reply! We are building the house in a community, and we were quoted at 660 to do the wrapping. The house is only 1212 SQF so it shouldn't be to bad to do this. I called them and asked them if we could do it, but haven't heard anything back from them. What if this gets left undone? What are the long term effects of not wrapping the sheathing?

Your builder is probably ignoring your request b/c they don't make money off of you having someone else do it or you doing it yourself. Also, it's their house until you settle. If I were you, I'd insist on them doing it irregardless of their recommendation.

Having house wrap will prevent drafts in the house and increase energy efficiency. It lets the house breathe, while keeping out moisture.

If you feel up to it, you could talk to the building supervisor and see how flexible he is. If he's okay, then you could wrap the house yourself right before the siding guys hit it.

When I had my first house built by a builder, I got the permission from the building supervisor on the side and showed up one weekend and wired up my entire house with double coax and ethernet. Otherwise, the builder's contractor would have charged me $150 for each coax jack/run.

ponch37300 11-27-2007 02:05 PM

I know were i am in wisconsin it is required to use wrap on all living space. for 660 bucks deffinitally have them wrap it. the rolls are something like 80 bucks for a 150 ft. The house will breathe just fine with it on. Do some research on tyvek or other brand names and you will find they are breathable materials.

scorrpio 11-27-2007 02:31 PM

I'd threaten the builder to make it widely known that they don't use the wrap. In present day housing market, this builder will have a real hard time getting any contracts if this becomes known. Wrap is a must if you don't want your house to rot within a few years. The siding does wery little to stop water penetration, and it is the wrap which blocks the water from going deeper. Felt paper, Tyvek, whatever - wrap is a must.

LawnGuyLandSparky 11-27-2007 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by scorrpio (Post 76678)
I'd threaten the builder to make it widely known that they don't use the wrap. In present day housing market, this builder will have a real hard time getting any contracts if this becomes known. Wrap is a must if you don't want your house to rot within a few years. The siding does wery little to stop water penetration, and it is the wrap which blocks the water from going deeper. Felt paper, Tyvek, whatever - wrap is a must.

Yes get the house wrapped, but "it will rot in a few years" is a bit extreme. Notice all the circa 1980's and all prior homes still standing?

XSleeper 11-27-2007 06:51 PM

Anyone who has ever removed vinyl siding on a home that was not covered with housewrap would KNOW the damage that is done by water infiltration around windows. With OSB sheathing, it doesn't take much time at all for this to happen, and a few years would be a pretty accurate estimate. Water runs down the side j-channels and goes right behind the siding at the bottom corners of every window.

All national building codes REQUIRE housewrap under vinyl siding. So why isn't your contractor abiding by those standards? Because he's cheap and wants to save a few bucks in time, labor and materials.

If he gives you any flack, call your state attorney general and the better business bureau.

I certainly would not do it yourself. This is your builder's responsibility.

scorrpio 11-27-2007 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LawnGuyLandSparky (Post 76719)
Yes get the house wrapped, but "it will rot in a few years" is a bit extreme. Notice all the circa 1980's and all prior homes still standing?

Tyvek might not have been around circa 1980, but felt paper sure was. My 1940's house has a dual layer of felt under original clapboard siding (which was sided over with shingle at some point), and under felt, it is all sound. However, previous owner installed a sliding door about 6 years ago, and failed to properly rewrap the opening. By the time I got to it, the sill plate under the door (a 60 year old 4x6 that is, where under wrap, is hard as a rock) was rotten through - and sheathing that was supposed to cover it - 1" thick shiplap planks - was just gone. We do get lots of rain here in northern NJ. Remember, it is not just water's work. Let the wood get and stay wet, and fungus/bugs all over the negihborhood will be coming for dinner. I am scared to think what 2 years sans wrap will do to all the OSB used for sheathing new houses.

Chris Johnson 11-27-2007 11:50 PM

You must have some form of building paper on conditioned space. The preferred choice is Typar/Tyvek whichever is in your area, second choice is at least a 15lb building paper. Unless you finish the garage it doesn't require it.

If you can get the whole house done for $ 660.00, pay it, get it done and over with.

But confirm with the builder if he's not using Tyvek, what is he using?

missyz17 11-28-2007 08:20 AM

You have all been helpful with questions I had yesterday and am now running into this same issue. We are building a new house and from what the builder's office is telling me is that they normally dont wrap - I hope she knows what she's talking about! Anyway, thanks for the great questions to ask. I wish I would have checked here first before agreeing to anything. If there's anything else I should ask, please let me know. Of course now, I'm just really anxious about the wrapping. I thought for sure that would have been a standard feature. Live and learn I guess.

JoeZ430 11-28-2007 08:32 AM

I'm going to call the builder today and find out what the deal is. I was planning on calling the city to try and find out if it's code to use Tyvek in our area, which I think I read something that if the house has vinyl siding then it's not required. The funny thing is, this was never explained to us before we signed off on the blue prints, so if we want the change more than likely we will have to pay a fee for breaking what we originally signed off on with our upgrades.

missyz17 11-28-2007 08:39 AM

I'm going to do the same - where would I call the local construction office in our Township? I'm in Southern NJ. We'll also have vinyl siding. Again, I thought it was standard but this chat has been so helpful as I'm finding out many things aren't. And, like you, we signed off on any upgrades as well. Our windows are already in as well. Good luck to you - and hopefully to me too!

JoeZ430 11-28-2007 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by missyz17 (Post 76853)
You have all been helpful with questions I had yesterday and am now running into this same issue. We are building a new house and from what the builder's office is telling me is that they normally dont wrap - I hope she knows what she's talking about! Anyway, thanks for the great questions to ask. I wish I would have checked here first before agreeing to anything. If there's anything else I should ask, please let me know. Of course now, I'm just really anxious about the wrapping. I thought for sure that would have been a standard feature. Live and learn I guess.


What state do you live in? I would suggest talking to the city as well to find out for sure if Tyvek is in the city code. I'm pretty sure it also matters what kind of siding you will be getting on your home.


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