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Old 02-22-2007, 11:42 PM   #16
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I have built many decks with PT sub frame, posts, railings and cedar for the floor.These decks are stained with a solid color when mixing materials and they come out looking great.

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You have some nice pics on your site there
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Neighbor has some composite (trex or something similar). His is failing after two years. I would call the failure "spalting". Spalting is a term usually used with concrete failure that means the concrete is flaking apart. Spalting in concrete is caused by freeze thaw cycles and a poor concrete mix.

neighbor, with his deck, has pressure washed it because it was moldy (problem one), this sort of opened up the pours I suppose, following winter those pours filled with water and froze, the expanding ice then enlarges the pours. Cycle repeats each freeze/thaw. It now looks terrible.
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So if I were to use PT for the sub structure, posts and railings and then cedar for the floor, what stain woud I use to bring it all together?

Does the cedar and PT look good together?
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So if I were to use PT for the sub structure, posts and railings and then cedar for the floor, what stain would I use to bring it all together?

Does the cedar and PT look good together?
Use the PT for only the sub structure cedar everywhere else if only going with those two materials. You wont see much of the PT, no need to bring t all together.

BTW - the PT is very wet and should dry over one summer before you do anything to it. Cedar you can stain immediately if you like.

I like, as I said previously, Penofin or cabbots Australian Timber Oil on cedar. It will impart some color but its not really a stain. You could also apply it to the PT if you wanted (end of summer). I also like some of the Sikkens brand stains. I think you can get them at Benjamin Moore dealers and elsewhere.
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BTW - the PT is very wet and should dry over one summer before you do anything to it....
I 2nd this point....
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I have a dog that will most likely be using the deck as much as our family will. If I choose cedar for the floor and rails, will I get too many marks and scratches? I know with any material there is going to be some wear.
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Anyone seen or installed a horizontal deck railing. There is a higher end house in my area that has used what looks like black steel rods/poles for their railing on the deck. There are 4x4 posts every 4-6 ft or so. Does that make sense?
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Anyone seen or installed a horizontal deck railing. There is a higher end house in my area that has used what looks like black steel rods/poles for their railing on the deck. There are 4x4 posts every 4-6 ft or so. Does that make sense?
The point of installing such steel rod ballusters/railing is for decor ..... and also VERY MUCH SO..... for the purpose of gaining a greater panoramic view....(as opposed to installing a larger wood material railing structure with it's 'thicker' components...)
So, yes...a key aspect of a deck, porch, patio, etc....is the ability to create an 'outside living space'...with a great natural view of one's surroundings. If you can decrease the 'blocking' of the construction materials, then this is always plus...
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This is what I am refering to. I just can't figure out what they used for materials. Some have suggested a rigid conduit, but I'm not sure. And whatever I choose would probably have to do with how I attach it.
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You can use 1 5/8" (Outside Diameter) pipe. A leading local fence contractor should have colored, pre-galvanized vinyl coated pipe for use in vinyl coated chainlink.

We stock green, brown and black in 21' sticks. When you call a local fence company tell them that you want "vinyl coated toprail."

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Any ideas on the cost of doing this on a 12X16 deck?
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Cibula11,

It won't be long before you'll have 5k tied up in a deck. Contrary to popular belief, the deck will not add any great value to the home if it doesn't have the square footage to support it. You can build a really nice deck out of pressure treated wood. Design will get you a long ways such as mixing chippendale rails and sunburst rails. Some things you could do to get the most out of the wood is to buy the 5/4 decking now. Buy it now, put it in a covered area spaced apart so that it will dry before you build your deck. One problem many people experience with treated decks is when the wood starts to dry, it shrinks and cracks. With routine maintenance, it will last a long time, long enough for you to sell your home. Also, when constructing your deck (12' X 16'), put a girder under the center perpendicular to the joist to eliminate the bounce, 12' is a long span for conventional wood.

Also, the picture looks like the deck railing may be stainless steel. Stainless Steel aircraft cables are being used a lot now for high end deck rails. Last thing, many home centers now offer custom deck design services. Lowes will design your deck for free if you buy your lumber from there, but their lumber is high. Another alternative to cedar would be cypress, it last forever and ages better than cedar IMO.
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Thanks. I am definately going with PT. I just thought that doing a nice railing would give it a better overall look. There are some good sales going on right now in my area with decking materials. I may have to invest early.
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Some additional advice would be to cap your railings with a 5/4" deck board run continuous across the post. This will strengthen the railing in addition to notching the post to fit against your perimeter bands of the joist system. Decks are much like landscaping, it increases the marketability of a house when placed up for sale, but rarely adds Real value. Garages and paved driveways are the two areas where you really gain Real value.
When I build decks for homeowners, something I do on the side, i'll put the joist on 12" centers and run the decking diagonally across the deck. I'll also add multiple tiers, if the customer is interested, to dress it up a bit. Adding an abor overhead creates atmosphere, and shade if you plant a climbing vine at the corner post. Good luck with your project.

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