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markharmon 06-09-2013 08:20 PM

New construction window
 
When you have rigid foam on your house can you still use new construction windows or do they need to be replacement windows? Reason I ask is because lets say you add an inch or two of rigid foam then your increasing your wall thickness and not sure how installing a new construction window would work since you using the nailing flanges and using the outer framing to fasten it.

woodworkbykirk 06-09-2013 09:28 PM

i do just this on just about every house i build or renovate. just be sure to be using 2 1/2" siding nails to nail through the nailing flange and make sure you order the windows with hurricane clips so to fasten the unit to the framing in the rough opening

katyhome 06-09-2013 10:20 PM

When installing the foam,I leave very little space between the material and the board or floor. If there is any space left ,I caulk or tape it to ensure maximum insulation.


MTN REMODEL LLC 06-09-2013 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by katyhome (Post 1198329)
When installing the foam,I leave very little space between the material and the board or floor. If there is any space left ,I caulk or tape it to ensure maximum insulation.


And foam it in also

markharmon 06-10-2013 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by woodworkbykirk (Post 1198283)
i do just this on just about every house i build or renovate. just be sure to be using 2 1/2" siding nails to nail through the nailing flange and make sure you order the windows with hurricane clips so to fasten the unit to the framing in the rough opening

So, you don't necessarily need a replacement window when putting in windows with rigid foam?

hand drive 06-10-2013 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by markharmon (Post 1198439)
So, you don't necessarily need a replacement window when putting in windows with rigid foam?


you will need jamb extensions to the inside of the window, but with the right nails the window can be installed like new construction windows.

markharmon 06-10-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by hand drive (Post 1198473)
you will need jamb extensions to the inside of the window, but with the right nails the window can be installed like new construction windows.

Jamb extensions with new const. windows or replacement?

woodworkbykirk 06-10-2013 04:16 PM

if your going to caulk the window in place thats on top of foam make sure the caulking is compatible. many polybeutyl caulkings will eat the foam

funfool 06-10-2013 04:52 PM

So many choices, why is there rigid foam?
Here we use 2" foam and stucco all the time. And then the choice is, are we replacing all the windows, are we trying to match a existing window detail.
There really is not a right or wrong way.

What existing exterior siding and window trim detail do you have that you want to match?
Oh yeah, pics do help.

TheCamper 06-10-2013 09:16 PM

The extension jambs are for any window where you need them. It is for trimming the interior as needed. Some people will do gypsum returns with vinyl windows but a window, particularly a prime window, always looks better with extension jambs, a stool, and casing.

markharmon 06-10-2013 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCamper (Post 1198903)
The extension jambs are for any window where you need them. It is for trimming the interior as needed. Some people will do gypsum returns with vinyl windows but a window, particularly a prime window, always looks better with extension jambs, a stool, and casing.

When you have exterior rigid foam in addition to the sheathing should you apply the house wrap before the rigid foam directly to the sheathing or over the rigid foam? My thinking is the house wrap needs to be the last line of defense against any possible water getting in so I would fasten directly to sheathing. But if you do that you should integrate the house wrap with the flashing, therefore, the window would have to go in before the rigid foam, correct?

Windows on Wash 06-11-2013 08:00 AM

There are different schools of thought on that whether it is an innie or outie wrap.

As long as it is done right, it doesn't matter.

woodworkbykirk 06-11-2013 09:14 PM

no.. the window goes in after the foam is installed. it goes right on top
depending on the type of foam used and the method its manufactured you may not need house wrap. type 2 foam that has a shiplap on it does not require house wrap in some regions.. as the ship lap acts like a flashing so any water that runs down the wall wont leak in and get at the sheathing

Windows on Wash 06-12-2013 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by woodworkbykirk (Post 1199537)
no.. the window goes in after the foam is installed. it goes right on top
depending on the type of foam used and the method its manufactured you may not need house wrap. type 2 foam that has a shiplap on it does not require house wrap in some regions.. as the ship lap acts like a flashing so any water that runs down the wall wont leak in and get at the sheathing

Kirk,

I agree to the extent that the outie install makes for the cleanest look and most seamless installation but there are situations (and they can easily be flashed an accommodated) where you can set the window tight to the sheathing and create the box detail on the exterior.

Not my favorite but I have seen it done properly in retrofit applications as well as new construction.


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