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Old 01-04-2011, 02:57 PM   #16
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I completely agree with Epson. What Ron recommends will not hold up.

I use plastic anchors in concrete often to hold small electrical equipment (small boxes, small EMT conduit, etc.). They work ok in those situations, but in any situation in which there will be movement the anchors will loosen quickly. Also, when too much weight is applied with leverage (as is the case with a handrail bracket) the anchors will pull right out.

There are PLENTY of handrail brackets with a single larger hole in the middle, these would work with the concrete anchors. These types of brackets are also good for attaching a handrail to a normal wall since you can use one large lag bolt to attach the bracket to a stud. The type of handrail brackets with 3 small holes have the holes spaced too far apart and at least one of the screws would not go into the stud.
We have used both handrail brackets mentioned and General is correct on the one bracket with three holes. I either drill out a ¼’’ hole or a 3/16’’ and I never had a problem installing them or had a call back because they have become lose or need repair.

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Ok it looks like I'm going with expansion anchors, and I really like the idea of ONE HOLE to drill per bracket. Do you know where I can get brackets like that without having to order online? I do not remember seeing them at home depot but then again i wasn't looking for that.

Also, the longest 1/4" expansion anchor is sold at Home Depot or lowes is 2 1/4". Seems maybe I should find a longer one than that. I have to go through approximately 1 1/4 inch material before hitting the concrete. Is 1 inch enough depth into the concrete?
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Old 01-04-2011, 05:15 PM   #18
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I would personally go with something a bit bigger than 1/4". Here is a 3/8" anchor which is 5" long, seems like that is the perfect length for your application: http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...atalogId=10053

You can also try the 5/16" sleeve anchor, a little bit smaller than the 3/8".

How Depot's website is showing many brackets with single holes in the middle, you may have to enlarge the hole a bit. You can always try another store in your area.

When you are done installing the anchor you can use a hacksaw turned upside down in order to cut the bolt off flush with the nut.
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Thanks for all the help guys. I have taken pieces of all the suggestions. I'm going to get long enough 5/16" expansion anchors (have to order them, because I need one at least 3 inches long I think), and will go with 1-hole brackets (picked some up at HD). I just have to drill the hole larger and it appears there is JUST ENOUGH clearance for the nut (but not washer, may need to get another washer with smaller OD).
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:25 PM   #20
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this is what I would do. http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...Znp49y1iHDOxag

you can also make these by making square miters.
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Miller,

I could potentially do that but my stairs beyond where the wall opens do not extend like in that pic. I framed a 2x6 stud wall at the same angle as the staircase, and then ran a piece of nice wood down as a finish. So, any pegs I put would have to be cut at the right angle and screwed on from underneath (guessing that's how you would do it). I do have access under the stairway.

That is very nice though.
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Why are you trying to attach the rail to the left side? Why not install a couple of 2x4s from the stair stringer to the ceiling joists and then attach the handrail brackets to that? I don't put much faith in the 1/2" glued firring strips, even if you can find them
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Why are you trying to attach the rail to the left side? Why not install a couple of 2x4s from the stair stringer to the ceiling joists and then attach the handrail brackets to that? I don't put much faith in the 1/2" glued firring strips, even if you can find them
There's no space for 2x4s. The basement is finished. I don't want the right side closed off. I deliberately finished it that way.

I am just going to go through the furring strips into the concrete behind it, so the furring strips will be nothing more than support for the rail brackets.
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I just wanted to follow up. I completed the job, it only took me about 1 hour, not bad for never having done something like this, as simple as it was.

I used a little bit of everyone's advice. Thank you very much.

I ended up using 1/4" wedge anchors that I found at a mom/pop hardware near me. They had the long 3 1/4" ones, Home depot did not carry these and did not have a 5/16 long enough. I also used the handrail brackets with 1 hole in them, and the 1/4" anchors fit perfectly so I didn't need to drill the hole out. If I really wanted a 5/16 I would have had to order it online and a box of 50 would have been 14.50 plus 10 shipping, and I only ended up using 2.

So, I installed 4' worth on the right side wall into the studs, and 6 1/2 feet on the left wall into the concrete, made sure to find a furring strip, and went through there. The job turned out very nice. My tenants were very happy with it.

So, thank you all very much for the suggestions. I am happy I used the wedge anchors, now I can remove the rail if need be before someone tries moving a couch down there, and I don't have to worry about not being able to tighten it back up. Great ideas guys, and the 1-hole brackets were much better as well. I am glad I only had to drill 2 holes instead of 6!
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The wedge anchor idea was excellent epson. I will always remember that suggestion for future concrete applications. Thank you very much.
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Expansion anchors are what you need for this project. Here is a link: http://www.confast.com/products/thunderstud-anchor.aspx
Hi Epson,

I was searching the internet to try to figure out how to put up a stair rail on a concrete wall to my basement when I found your post. I am wondering if I could ask you a question? I am not really sure how this DIY forum works....so if it is OK can you email me at liz@jhmi.edu? I don't know how to get to your expertise otherwise:-)

I have the big honking 1 screw handrail brackets that you suggested (got them at home depot) and I watched the video for the concrete anchors you suggested...but I cant figure out how that handrail bracket will attach to that bolt? It has a nut and a washer on the top...does that mean my bracket will have a nut and a washer on top of the screw hole? Sorry if this is a stupid question....I'm a gal with a concrete wall a handrail, a drill..and NOT alot of know how;-)
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Hi Epson,

I have the big honking 1 screw handrail brackets that you suggested (got them at home depot) and I watched the video for the concrete anchors you suggested...but I cant figure out how that handrail bracket will attach to that bolt? It has a nut and a washer on the top...does that mean my bracket will have a nut and a washer on top of the screw hole? Sorry if this is a stupid question....I'm a gal with a concrete wall a handrail, a drill..and NOT alot of know how;-)
Hi liz,
What you have to do is drill the proper size hole and depth for your anchor it will tell you on the box. Then hammer it into the concrete not all the way in. Put your handrail bracket over the anchor and see how much more you have to hammer the anchor in. Then put the washer on and then the nut.
Note: when you are hammering the anchor screw the nut to the top of the thread that way you will not damage any thread while hammering. Also use a concrete bit to drill into your wall.
Hope this helps…

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